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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8309804" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Like I said it is far less complicated to lift it off his belt than to do multiple thing in the description.  The intent is to allow him to use it for the same things a Rogue could use SOH for if he was standing next to him.Could an invisible Rogue standing next to the wizard try to lift the pouch if you were DM?  Then why can't the hand?Most DMs would allow him to try to take the pouch, but if they didn't componets would usually be treated like a single object for this purpose, just like ball bearings or caltrops.  Reach in grab the components and go.Well considering the hand can only move 10 pounds, if it is noticed the wizard can stop it.  I think that is the idea.  Just like if a thief tries to use a slight of hand to life a purse (as described in the PHB).  If the thief fails and he is noticed he does not get the purse right?  If the hand fails and is noticed it does not get the pouch.Regardless if he passes the check he will absolutely not notice it floating in the air because that is what the rules say - he will not notice and that is the whole idea of the mechanic.  Why would noticing the pouch floating be any different from noticing anything else that was stolen from him floating in the air?  He will notice when he reaches for it next turn of course.  As DM explain this anyway you want , "the hand deflty shifts to avoid the wizards eyes as it loops around behind his back with the pouch", "or you whistle to get his attention as the hand slinks away the other direction" or if you are not that creative - "its magic"If you do not allow this you are nerfing the intention of this ability.  Why would it be in there if they did not intend fpor players to use it?</blockquote>

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