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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8309846" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Page 177 top left. "The DM might also call for a Dexterity (Slight of Hand) to determine if you can lift a purse off another's person or slip something out of another person's pocket"</p><p></p><p></p><p>PHB page 98: "You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you succeed in a dexterity (Slieght of Hand) check contested by the creatures Wisdom (Perception) check."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No but it doesn't say you can't either. Further it says you can steal things more difficult than this and it says you can do it on a bonus action - which generally only applies in combat.</p><p></p><p>If you could not use it for combat it would say so, as the regular mage hand description says with respect to attacks and they would not bother with a bonus action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The pouch has to be removed and that is going to be as easy to see "levitating out of the container"</p><p></p><p>"Without being noticed" means not noticed. Noticing it "floating in the air" is noticing it and to be clear your earlier if we use this logic wouldn't he see it "levititating out of the container" while it was being taken too?</p><p></p><p>This of course assumes the item itself does itself not become invisible when taken by an invisible mage hand.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No but failing a perception check against an invisible mage hand lerdemain means he "does not notice" that the mage hand took something .... because that is what the rules say.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually everything mentioned under the stealth skill in the PHB talks about concealing "yourself" or your person, not a thing and SOH talks specifically about "slip <u>something</u> out of another person's pocket"</p><p></p><p>Now I am not suggesting that I would never use stealth for something like this, but the specific overides the general and the specific rule for MHL is that it uses a SOH check to not be noticed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8309846, member: 7030563"] Page 177 top left. "The DM might also call for a Dexterity (Slight of Hand) to determine if you can lift a purse off another's person or slip something out of another person's pocket" PHB page 98: "You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you succeed in a dexterity (Slieght of Hand) check contested by the creatures Wisdom (Perception) check." No but it doesn't say you can't either. Further it says you can steal things more difficult than this and it says you can do it on a bonus action - which generally only applies in combat. If you could not use it for combat it would say so, as the regular mage hand description says with respect to attacks and they would not bother with a bonus action. The pouch has to be removed and that is going to be as easy to see "levitating out of the container" "Without being noticed" means not noticed. Noticing it "floating in the air" is noticing it and to be clear your earlier if we use this logic wouldn't he see it "levititating out of the container" while it was being taken too? This of course assumes the item itself does itself not become invisible when taken by an invisible mage hand. No but failing a perception check against an invisible mage hand lerdemain means he "does not notice" that the mage hand took something .... because that is what the rules say. Actually everything mentioned under the stealth skill in the PHB talks about concealing "yourself" or your person, not a thing and SOH talks specifically about "slip [U]something[/U] out of another person's pocket" Now I am not suggesting that I would never use stealth for something like this, but the specific overides the general and the specific rule for MHL is that it uses a SOH check to not be noticed. [/QUOTE]
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