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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8310665" data-attributes="member: 7030563">It is in the rules!&nbsp; I could see disadvantage as a judgement for doing this with a normal mage hand done by a wizard as an action, because you are making a judgement call there.&nbsp; I could even see it for a thief standing next to him in melee trying it using fast hands (although that is a bit harsh IMO).&nbsp; The Arcane Trickster ability however says nothing about disadvantage and it is pretty obvious that it is intended to be used against enemies in combat.&nbsp; Thematically, that is why the AT's hand is invisible when the normal wizards mage hand isn't.If this is the logic, do you give Rogues disadvantage when trying to hide in combat (assuming fully obscured)?&nbsp; The same logic would&nbsp; apply there-the enemy is alert, it is harder to hide.In this discussion, let's remember that the Rogue is arguably the weakest class in combat, so I hardly think it is some sort of imbalance to let him use the defining feature of his subclass as it was designed to be used.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8310665, member: 7030563"] It is in the rules! I could see disadvantage as a judgement for doing this with a normal mage hand done by a wizard as an action, because you are making a judgement call there. I could even see it for a thief standing next to him in melee trying it using fast hands (although that is a bit harsh IMO). The Arcane Trickster ability however says nothing about disadvantage and it is pretty obvious that it is intended to be used against enemies in combat. Thematically, that is why the AT's hand is invisible when the normal wizards mage hand isn't. If this is the logic, do you give Rogues disadvantage when trying to hide in combat (assuming fully obscured)? The same logic would apply there-the enemy is alert, it is harder to hide. In this discussion, let's remember that the Rogue is arguably the weakest class in combat, so I hardly think it is some sort of imbalance to let him use the defining feature of his subclass as it was designed to be used. [/QUOTE]

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