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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8310731" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Three things.1. The check is to see if he is noticed.&nbsp; I said earlier if he fails the check he can not get it.&nbsp; He would not be opposing the Rogue if the Rogue passes the check.&nbsp; If he catches him doing this then he would be opposing and it would fails.2. If you gave me a bag full of dice and asked me to pull out a 20 sided dice I ABSOLUTELY could do that in 6 seconds&nbsp; with no problem.&nbsp; I could do it in half that with no problem.&nbsp; I might even be able to get out 4 specific dice types in 6 seconds and I don't have exceptional dexterity and have been trained specifically to do this.3. Your scaling is off because IRL I am not the equivalent of an expert Rogue using a spell augmented by magic.&nbsp; We can approximate this though.&nbsp;&nbsp; We know the mage hand can pick a lock in 6 seconds.&nbsp; I think IRL I could pick a simple lock from the middle ages in about 5 minutes ... or about 300 seconds (newer locks I could not pick&nbsp; at all).&nbsp; Considering that the mage hand through dexterity and magic can accomplish in 6 seconds what I can do in about 300 seconds; it stands to reason that I should have 5 minutes of digging through a pouch to model what a mage hand should logically be able to do in 6 seconds.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8310731, member: 7030563"] Three things. 1. The check is to see if he is noticed. I said earlier if he fails the check he can not get it. He would not be opposing the Rogue if the Rogue passes the check. If he catches him doing this then he would be opposing and it would fails. 2. If you gave me a bag full of dice and asked me to pull out a 20 sided dice I ABSOLUTELY could do that in 6 seconds with no problem. I could do it in half that with no problem. I might even be able to get out 4 specific dice types in 6 seconds and I don't have exceptional dexterity and have been trained specifically to do this. 3. Your scaling is off because IRL I am not the equivalent of an expert Rogue using a spell augmented by magic. We can approximate this though. We know the mage hand can pick a lock in 6 seconds. I think IRL I could pick a simple lock from the middle ages in about 5 minutes ... or about 300 seconds (newer locks I could not pick at all). Considering that the mage hand through dexterity and magic can accomplish in 6 seconds what I can do in about 300 seconds; it stands to reason that I should have 5 minutes of digging through a pouch to model what a mage hand should logically be able to do in 6 seconds. [/QUOTE]

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