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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8313747" data-attributes="member: 7030563">How is that not balanced?The game is about imagination, I find it far more cheesy to have the guards line up in a congo line to be slaughtered to the last man than to surrender when it is asked for after half their party is dead.Now if my group of 4 bad asses walks in on 20 guards and says "throw down your arms!"  they are probably going to laugh, but 18 seconds later when we have wiped out 15 of them with our barbarian covered in blood and chopping through them like a meat grinder and the wizard just burned 5 of them alive .... at that point it is probably like a 10 DC intimidation  ..... AND that is both a lot more effective and more realistic than a normal action.</blockquote>