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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8313896" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I think this is an out-and-out consequence of the skill system.</p><p></p><p>In AD&D a fighter could have a modest or even decent CHA and might therefore be just as charming as a bard or druid, or close to it. At least until 2nd ed AD&D bards there was no class feature, let alone a level-dependent one, that influenced how charming a character was. (The only exception I can think of is the Friends spell. Personally I never saw that spell in play; but even then it's not going to be dominating the sphere of social interaction.)</p><p></p><p>A good CHA also allowed a fighter to bolster the morale of NPCs - somewhat significant in AD&D given the tendency of that game to include henchmen and hirelings. That's not really a feature of 5e play as best I can tell.</p><p></p><p>Once you introduce social skills, and don't give them to fighters; and once you create classes which have a strong reason to have high CHA at the same time that points-buy encourages fighters to have at best modest CHA; then the problem you (Minigiant) describe emerges.</p><p></p><p>4e D&D had a bit of the same issue for fighters; hence warlords. It also had the weirdness that clerics and paladins tend to be weak at Religion because that skill is INT-based.</p><p></p><p>I don't know how much damage it would do to balance to allow a fighter to trade some armour proficiency for a CHA bonus to AC (in 3E didn't some prestige classes allow this sort of Panache feature?). But something like that might be a simple way to do it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8313896, member: 42582"] I think this is an out-and-out consequence of the skill system. In AD&D a fighter could have a modest or even decent CHA and might therefore be just as charming as a bard or druid, or close to it. At least until 2nd ed AD&D bards there was no class feature, let alone a level-dependent one, that influenced how charming a character was. (The only exception I can think of is the Friends spell. Personally I never saw that spell in play; but even then it's not going to be dominating the sphere of social interaction.) A good CHA also allowed a fighter to bolster the morale of NPCs - somewhat significant in AD&D given the tendency of that game to include henchmen and hirelings. That's not really a feature of 5e play as best I can tell. Once you introduce social skills, and don't give them to fighters; and once you create classes which have a strong reason to have high CHA at the same time that points-buy encourages fighters to have at best modest CHA; then the problem you (Minigiant) describe emerges. 4e D&D had a bit of the same issue for fighters; hence warlords. It also had the weirdness that clerics and paladins tend to be weak at Religion because that skill is INT-based. I don't know how much damage it would do to balance to allow a fighter to trade some armour proficiency for a CHA bonus to AC (in 3E didn't some prestige classes allow this sort of Panache feature?). But something like that might be a simple way to do it. [/QUOTE]
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