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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8315205" data-attributes="member: 23751">8 is below average, but not &quot;suck.&quot;&nbsp; 10 is by definition not &quot;suck,&quot; because it's average.The only way you can do that is if you personally are a genius.&nbsp; I've played with some very smart people over the decades, but none of them were geniuses.No.&nbsp; The math is based around 14 or 16.&nbsp; They don't assume everyone is going to hit 20.&nbsp; If you hit 18-20, you're ahead of the game.&nbsp; My Wizard started with a 17 Int.&nbsp; He's level 9 now with a 19 Int, and the only reason it's not still 18 is that I wanted a feat and it happened to give me a +1.&nbsp; I haven't even noticed that I'm not at 20, and I'd be doing great if I was still at 17.People love bonuses and rush for max, but you just don't need it.&nbsp; It's nice if you have that 20, but so are feats.The vast majority of DCs in the game will be in the 10-15 range.&nbsp; Some will be 20.&nbsp; You don't need to be running around with +10s and +11s just to get by.&nbsp; With +4 proficiency and +3 from main stat, you have +7 which will plenty good for those DCs.&nbsp; The rare super hard 25's and 30's are supposed to be super hard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8315205, member: 23751"] 8 is below average, but not "suck." 10 is by definition not "suck," because it's average. The only way you can do that is if you personally are a genius. I've played with some very smart people over the decades, but none of them were geniuses. No. The math is based around 14 or 16. They don't assume everyone is going to hit 20. If you hit 18-20, you're ahead of the game. My Wizard started with a 17 Int. He's level 9 now with a 19 Int, and the only reason it's not still 18 is that I wanted a feat and it happened to give me a +1. I haven't even noticed that I'm not at 20, and I'd be doing great if I was still at 17. People love bonuses and rush for max, but you just don't need it. It's nice if you have that 20, but so are feats. The vast majority of DCs in the game will be in the 10-15 range. Some will be 20. You don't need to be running around with +10s and +11s just to get by. With +4 proficiency and +3 from main stat, you have +7 which will plenty good for those DCs. The rare super hard 25's and 30's are supposed to be super hard. [/QUOTE]

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