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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8315360" data-attributes="member: 7030563">It is.&nbsp; I would put it third of these though and a fighter is proficient in it, so dumping constitution takes him from great to good at early levels and even better at higher levels when the proficiency is more important than the abilityBut you can do that and still be good in combat.&nbsp; A fighter who invests in out of combat stuff is still good in combat and has more versatility in combat than most other classes too.&nbsp; He is not as awesome at dealing damage, but he is still good if not great at it.&nbsp; I don't get why you feel that he needs to be the best possible at it and to hells with everything else.&nbsp; That is a very narrow concept design regardless of the class.The Barbarian loses more than the fighter but investing in anything outside of the combat abilities.&nbsp; He does not have heavy armor so he needs dex, he can't take rage bonus on a dex attack so he needs strength and he can't use reckless attack effectively without expecting to take damage.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is the one class that actually needs constitution to be effective IMO.The other thing about a barbarian is even with high combat scores he needs to bring a ton of healing between fights to be effective in combat.&nbsp; A fighter, regardless of how you invest points, doesn't need nearly as much.A characters identity is framed far more around his background than his class and around how he is role played more than either of these.&nbsp; This is part of the 5E design.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8315360, member: 7030563"] It is. I would put it third of these though and a fighter is proficient in it, so dumping constitution takes him from great to good at early levels and even better at higher levels when the proficiency is more important than the ability But you can do that and still be good in combat. A fighter who invests in out of combat stuff is still good in combat and has more versatility in combat than most other classes too. He is not as awesome at dealing damage, but he is still good if not great at it. I don't get why you feel that he needs to be the best possible at it and to hells with everything else. That is a very narrow concept design regardless of the class. The Barbarian loses more than the fighter but investing in anything outside of the combat abilities. He does not have heavy armor so he needs dex, he can't take rage bonus on a dex attack so he needs strength and he can't use reckless attack effectively without expecting to take damage. This is the one class that actually needs constitution to be effective IMO. The other thing about a barbarian is even with high combat scores he needs to bring a ton of healing between fights to be effective in combat. A fighter, regardless of how you invest points, doesn't need nearly as much. A characters identity is framed far more around his background than his class and around how he is role played more than either of these. This is part of the 5E design. [/QUOTE]

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