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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8318583" data-attributes="member: 7030563">The cleric class is anot about working for a church, it is about being a spellcaster with spells granted by your god. Being a cleric does not make you an accolyte and you don't get background feature (shelter of the faithfull) because you are a cleric.   Now you can probably get something comparable by working for a church and becoming trusted, but so could a Rogue or Wizard for that matter and a Rogue or Wizard who started with the accolyte background would have that on day 1.A fighter who wants to be a "noble" can take the noble background.  If he chooses another background he does not get the retainers or privilege of position features (and gets the feature of that background instead).  If he still wants to "be a noble" he can seek out a king or lord and convince said lord to knight him down the road in the same manner a non-accolyte cleric could convince the church he is working for to shelter and employ him.To be honest the background combination as it is works awesome for this and really lets any character be any theme.  My assasin can even be a noble!This is not true.  Five of the available fighter skills are based on Wisdom or Intelligence.  That is MORE mental class skills than Barbarian, Cleric, Monk, Paladin, Rogue, Sorcerer and it is the same number as Warlock and Artificer.Out of 11 other classes only 4 have more mental class skills -  Druid, Bard, Ranger, WizardNo, especially because fighters with those backgrounds do get it already.  Logically if you want to play into that trope you would take that background. You can also take training, get it through a feat or get it with a fighter subclass.The arguement here is I want to be a noble, but I don't want to take the noble background nor the fighter subclass specifically designed to mimic a knight.  That logic makes no sense to me.Where is this "natural leadership" for a fighter than you speak of?  This sounds like an outdated concept from 1E and if this is actually published material in 5E, that is what should change I think.In any case all fighters have access to a charisma-based feature through the superb technique fighting style and multiple subclasses also have available charisma-based features.</blockquote>

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