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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8318955" data-attributes="member: 63508">The rogue is fighting with a melee character to get Sneak Attack. The other melee PC is the reason why the rogue isn't chased around the field. And when they hit level 5, they can use uncanny dodge.Or use Steady Aim from Tashas and stick in the back with a crossbow.If a player comes to my table with a 16/8/10 fighter with 16 Charisma, I'd assume we were running a joke campaign.Rogues have good AC and one of the highest mobility in the game.What 5e are you playing?Thanks for making my point.Fans say knights and nobles are fighters but fighters make poor knights and nobles in 5e.Never mentioned hard checks. I said moderate checks. You are confusing me for someone else.Yes and a DC 14 is not an easy check. And those are for level 1 mundane obstacles and 1HD NPCs.And fighter still suck at those checks. Because its weak.That's my main argument with you.I don't ask for easy checks often. You do. You think a fighter with 10 Dex and 8 Con is good. I think that's crazy talk.Your game is easier than standard so a nerfed fighter works fine there.</blockquote>