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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8319622" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I don't think we can actually call the fighter being 4 expertise skills away from a heroic tier rogue in out of combat ability a 'flaw'.  Look I'm all for calling out flaws but that's not one - or let me put it this way - if you insist that's a flaw then I insist it's such a minor one that it doesn't even deserve to be brought up.And now we get to the actual 'war' you are waging.  It's now revealed that it's actually around ability scores.  I agree the 6 D&D Ability Scores aren't the best mechanic ever, but it is part of what makes D&D be D&D.  One might say your fundamental problem is with D&D as D&D.  And that's fine, but fundamentally changing the game to the degree you prescribe isn't going to make D&D be D&D anymore.  IMO.Sure.  But just because something could be a bit better doesn't mean it was bunlged.Let's say we gave the fighter a single skill expertise at level 2 and again at 9.  Is that enough for you or too much?</blockquote>