spellcraft check?

[Sejs]

enough to get Expertise and thus Expert Tactician

side note: Expert Tactician requires Combat Reflexes, not Expertise.


As for the spellcraft thing: you don't round down(or off, or at all) the number of ranks you have, just the number for an actual check. Evidence the "Max Cross-class ranks" colum of the advancement table. If you rounded down rank numbers, there wouldn't be listings that are X and 1/2 in the table.


So uh, yeah. 1 pt in cross-class spellcraft, total 1/2 rank, rolling d20+int mod to identify spells.


I'll see your 'zing', and raise you a 'back atcha'.

^_^

 

[Kershek]

So, when you make your spellcraft roll, do you know everything about the spell, even if you can't cast it? Meaning, can you open the PHB and read the spell to yourself?

 

[Dr_Rictus]

The glossary is irrelevant. It's a quickie reference to refresh one's memory, nothing more (and IMO, far less; it's really a waste of pages!). NEVER rely on the glossary as a rules source.

The rules specifically define an someone as untrained in a skill, as someone with 0 ranks of that skill. 0.5 is greater than none. Therefor, someone with 0.5 ranks in a skill, is not untrained.

Um, no.

Definitions are the purpose of a glossary, and every statement of fact in a rulebook is a rule. The glossary is just as authoritative as anything, and there are a few points that are really nowhere else in the PHB.

 

[Sejs]

So, when you make your spellcraft roll, do you know everything about the spell, even if you can't cast it? Meaning, can you open the PHB and read the spell to yourself?

Thinking about it a bit, I'd probably have to say yes. If, for example, I'm a cleric and I watch some wizard casting a spell and make my spellcraft check, I recall that "Fosu Calamerath Anturas Est" means that he's casting a fireball. I should, by the same token, know that a fireball can go out to really long (400 + 40ft/level) distances before bursting, when it does burst it's about a 20ft sphere, etc.


However (and this is a house rule all the way here) I'd either say that the spellcraft check -cannot- identify any metamagic applied to a spell, or that it has a 'tiered DC'. So again, cleric watching wizard casting a spell - a spellcraft check result of 18 - 20 recognises that the wizard is casting a Fireball; a spellcraft result of 21 or higher realized that he's actually casting a Empowered(SL +2), Sculpted(SL +1) Fireball.