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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Avenger" data-source="post: 7810990" data-attributes="member: 779">The really really large Spelljammer monsters were already ridiculously powerful and big, but back then 2e never had Challege Ratings just XP values for monsters. And I don't think it was ever given at what level a party could ever stand a chance at fighting a Beholder Tyrant Ship, which had the ability to magnify the Eye Rays of Beholders 30+ beholders and their Hive Mother into some very powerful attacks. 2e Spelljammer sort of had 2 scales things took place at, ship (with hull points) and personal (with hit points) level.  While vehicle rules are coming into place, I think there's room in 5e to present combat at 2 different scales.Some monsters like Space Witchlight Marauders weren't meant to be fought at the personal scale.</blockquote>