Spellstitched Lich

[Falling Icicle]

If I become a Lich, and then Spellstich myself (the Spellstiched template is in Complete Arcane) do I incur an increased level adjustment, or is it treated more like wearing a magic item (since you use craft wondrous item to tattoo yourself)? All I saw in the description is that it increases challenge rating by +1, but it makes no mention of level adjustment that I can see.

 

[Sejs]

*shrug* No increase in LA technically means no increase in LA.

Were I a DM though, I'd slap at -least- a +1 LA on any character that was spellstiched. It's a significant increase in power.

 

[Gestalt]

Spellstitching takes more experience than standard magic item creation. It consumes 500 xp per point of Wisdom.

 

[Falling Icicle]

Spellstitching takes more experience than standard magic item creation. It consumes 500 xp per point of Wisdom.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Since it's so expensive to create, havign a LA on top of that is probably overkill.

 

[Infiniti2000]

*shrug* No increase in LA technically means no increase in LA.

It's not LA +0, it's just not listed. I'd view that as LA --, which is not "no increase", it's not "suitable for use as player characters or as cohorts." I'd not allow the template, but if you do, I'd make the LA +2 or +3. The initial XP cost is irrelevant since you'll be creating the character at a higher level anyway and will never actually pay the cost.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Spellstitching takes more experience than standard magic item creation. It consumes 500 xp per point of Wisdom.

The sensible (non-cleric-based) Lich would cast a few spells with Wisdom-damage corrupt components, and maybe hit himself with a Bestow Curse, to get his Wisdom down to 1 before undertaking the Spellstitching on himself...

-Hyp.

 

[Land Outcast]

That would rise some questions on the -non-mechanical- ability of the Lich to carry out the task.

 

[Falling Icicle]

It's not LA +0, it's just not listed. I'd view that as LA --, which is not "no increase", it's not "suitable for use as player characters or as cohorts." I'd not allow the template, but if you do, I'd make the LA +2 or +3. The initial XP cost is irrelevant since you'll be creating the character at a higher level anyway and will never actually pay the cost.

If it was not meant for PCs, why does it give the rules and costs for creating them?

The sensible (non-cleric-based) Lich would cast a few spells with Wisdom-damage corrupt components, and maybe hit himself with a Bestow Curse, to get his Wisdom down to 1 before undertaking the Spellstitching on himself...

-Hyp.

There's 2 problems with that idea.

1 - Liches are immune to ability damage because they are Undead.

2 - Your Wisdom score has to be at least 10 to be spellstiched. Additionally, your Wisdom score determines how many spell like abilities the template gives you. Even if you could lower your Wisdom score to make it cheaper, you'd get less benefit from having the template.

 

[Hypersmurf]

1 - Liches are immune to ability damage because they are Undead.

No, they're immune to ability damage to physical ability scores because they're undead.

2 - Your Wisdom score has to be at least 10 to be spellstiched. Additionally, your Wisdom score determines how many spell like abilities the template gives you. Even if you could lower your Wisdom score to make it cheaper, you'd get less benefit from having the template.

Ah - I'm away from my books. In that case, lower it to 10 for the lower cost, then let it recover once the template is in place to get the SLAs. I'll have to read the template when I get home to check if that's valid...

-Hyp.

 

[Falling Icicle]

No, they're immune to ability damage to physical ability scores because they're undead.

Ah, I was thinking of ability drain.

Ah - I'm away from my books. In that case, lower it to 10 for the lower cost, then let it recover once the template is in place to get the SLAs. I'll have to read the template when I get home to check if that's valid...

-Hyp.

The spell-like abilities are chosen at the time you create the spellstich. You can't change them later.