Spider-Man: Noir

[Umbran]

ugh...why also in color???

For one thing, it is comparatively easy. These days, they typically film in color, and then make it B&W in post-processing.

Also, setting aside any aesthetic preferences, there are some visual and cognitive disabilities that make action in black and white video difficult to follow. Color can allow folks with those impairments more able to follow the action.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

It’s a play on with great power, blah blah.

Basically normal spider-man is so powerful he’s always holding back so he doesn’t kill people.

That's an extremely weird misreading of Spider-Man.

"With great power comes great responsibility" is a quote from his Uncle Ben. Peter, when he was using his super-powers to win minor-league wrestling events, let a criminal run past him, saying it wasn't his responsibility to do anything about it. And said criminal then killed Uncle Ben.

Because Peter has great power, he has the great responsibility to use them to make the world a better place.

It has nothing to do with Peter not trying to kill people. At least, not until Zack Snyder does a Spider-Man movie. Uncle Ben wasn't telling a pre-superpowered Peter, "hey, try to not kill anyone in high school today."

 

[HatWearingFool]

That's an extremely weird misreading of Spider-Man.

"With great power comes great responsibility" is a quote from his Uncle Ben. Peter, when he was using his super-powers to win minor-league wrestling events, let a criminal run past him, saying it wasn't his responsibility to do anything about it. And said criminal then killed Uncle Ben.

Because Peter has great power, he has the great responsibility to use them to make the world a better place.

It has nothing to do with Peter not trying to kill people. At least, not until Zack Snyder does a Spider-Man movie. Uncle Ben wasn't telling a pre-superpowered Peter, "hey, try to not kill anyone in high school today."

The “quote” from uncle Ben is a retcon, it wasn’t actually something Uncle Ben said until people started liking the phrase. Uncle Ben didn’t say the phrase until it had appeared in Spider-Man comics for 10 years.

Spider-man could just kill super villains, especially many in his rogue gallery who repeatedly do terrible things after being allowed to live. Wouldn’t killing them and ending the threat make the world a better place? It’s the same thing in the movie with letting the person who killed Uncle Ben go because it “wasn’t his problem”

I’d argue the philosophy has a lot to do with why he goes to great lengths not to kill or overly harm people. Even though that choice is why he pretty much has the worst life of any character in comics. He could make his life better by simply being harsher with bad people.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

The “quote” from uncle Ben is a retcon, it wasn’t actually something Uncle Ben said until people started liking the phrase. Uncle Ben didn’t say the phrase until it had appeared in Spider-Man comics for 10 years.

My mistake. Stan Lee wrote it at the end of Amazing Fantasy #15, as Peter Parker walks off into the night, as part of the aftermath of Uncle Ben's death:

And a lean, silent figure slowly fades in the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, with great power there must also come -- great responsibility!

And it's still not about "hey, Spider-Man, make sure you don't kill people!"

Spider-man could just kill super villains, especially many in his rogue gallery who repeatedly do terrible things after being allowed to live. Wouldn’t killing them and ending the threat make the world a better place? It’s the same thing in the movie with letting the person who killed Uncle Ben go because it “wasn’t his problem”

I’d argue the philosophy has a lot to do with why he goes to great lengths not to kill or overly harm people. Even though that choice is why he pretty much has the worst life of any character in comics. He could make his life better by simply being harsher with bad people.

Mr. Snyder -- can I call you Zack? -- this is still an insane take on Spider-Man.

There's no indication that Peter is seething with murderous rage. In fact, Punisher started off as a Spider-Man villain specifically for Peter to push back against the idea that criminals should just be executed. (In Spectacular Spider-Man in the 1980s, Frank was even trying to kill litterbugs.)

Peter has an incredibly strong moral compass that goes beyond "don't kill jaywalkers." It's that sense of responsibility to use his powers to help people that makes his academic life, work life and love life so complicated. His life would be easier if he stopped being Spider-Man.

The comics have explicitly argued against the idea that he, or the other traditional superheroes, think that executing criminals or even supervillains is the answer, no matter how much some people (including Frank Miller) want to see Batman kill the Joker.

 

[Zaukrie]

Why judge how others want to enjoy entertainment? I mean, I'm watching black and white, but some people want color. So what?

 

[HatWearingFool]

My mistake. Stan Lee wrote it at the end of Amazing Fantasy #15, as Peter Parker walks off into the night, as part of the aftermath of Uncle Ben's death:

And it's still not about "hey, Spider-Man, make sure you don't kill people!"

Mr. Snyder -- can I call you Zack? -- this is still an insane take on Spider-Man.

There's no indication that Peter is seething with murderous rage. In fact, Punisher started off as a Spider-Man villain specifically for Peter to push back against the idea that criminals should just be executed. (In Spectacular Spider-Man in the 1980s, Frank was even trying to kill litterbugs.)

Peter has an incredibly strong moral compass that goes beyond "don't kill jaywalkers." It's that sense of responsibility to use his powers to help people that makes his academic life, work life and love life so complicated. His life would be easier if he stopped being Spider-Man.

The comics have explicitly argued against the idea that he, or the other traditional superheroes, think that executing criminals or even supervillains is the answer, no matter how much some people (including Frank Miller) want to see Batman kill the Joker.

I didn’t say he was seething with murderous rage. I said the comics have pointed out time and again the lengths he goes to “pull his punches”. And how suffers due to not wanting to overly hurt someone.

There have been comics where he isn’t Spider-Man any more… spoiler life isn’t any better for him. It’s not being spider-man that makes his life hard.

Also a running theme is, Spider-Man goes out his way to not kill or be nice and his life gets worse because of it. Arguably any rational person would have started killing people by now

I mean they had God (the one above all) come talk to him because his life is so miserable due to trying to do the right thing.

Edit: This whole thing started out about “why the tag line”? And I was giving my explanation as to the “no responsibility part” and how basically this version doesn’t have much in the way of powers compared to the regular spider-man. I don’t think either of us have more to gain from further explanation or discussion at this point.

 

[trappedslider]

just putting this out but for noir it's "If those in power cannot be trusted, it is the responsibility of the people to remove them."

 

[HatWearingFool]

just putting this out but for noir it's "If those in power cannot be trusted, it is the responsibility of the people to remove them."

Yes but that’s not the tagline they went for ¯\(ツ)/¯

Cage’s description of his portrayal:

“a retired hero who was once known as The Spider, who left his double life behind after tragedy struck. Cage has described his performance as "70 percent Bogart, 30 percent Bugs Bunny."”

And apparently it is based off the newest comic, which I have not read. It’s being done by the guy who did savage dragon… so I’d guess the new comic be more aimed at adult’s than past versions.

I’m a little worried they will have to many of the rogues gallery. We know silver mane is the main bad guy and they named sandman plus we briefly saw what looks like electro in the trailer. It’s also going to have a version of the Black Cat. Seems like a lot of characters to flesh out.

Further description of the show:

"Ben Reilly has already gone through the entire arc and has seen it all. He's over it, and trying to move past it," Uziel tells Esquire. "But his past kind of keeps coming back to haunt him. It's just a different version that we haven't seen before."

"In all the great detective stories, you have two cases that sort of come together, and you realize you're actually working the same thing," Uziel continues. "He's a guy getting dragged into a much larger fight that he doesn't really want to be a part of. Silvermane is the big bad, but what's happening to Silvermane connects back to Ben's past and gets him spiraling deeper and deeper into his own origins."

 

[overgeeked]

Yes but that’s not the tagline they went for ¯\(ツ)/¯

It’s a real head scrather why Amazon avoided it.

 

[payn]

Why judge how others want to enjoy entertainment? I mean, I'm watching black and white, but some people want color. So what?

Film noir…you know what never mind.