Spirits you DON'T drink

[Dannyalcatraz]

There are certain classes out there that have powers over or somehow relate to "spirits." The term, is not defined the same way in each location.

However, I seem to recall that either WotC or Paizo published an official definition of "spirit" covering incorporeal beings that are the life forces of creatures, plants, places and even certain forms of undead.

Anyone know what I'm talking about? If so, can you point me in the correct direction?

 

[Nifft]

The Complete Divine base class Spirit Shaman had a side-bar on this topic. I think it included:
- Elementals
- Fey
- Incorporeal undead
- Outsiders

Cheers, -- N

 

[the Jester]

Tequila.

Oh wait...

 

[Arkhandus]

Nifft's got it. Complete Divine slightly expanded, I think, the Spirit subtype from Oriental Adventures; both mention that Spirits are not necessarily incorporeal, and that many are corporeal spirit creatures. In OA, it applies to most or all creatures of the Outsider, Undead, and Dragon types, as well as some Fey and Elementals (those which are essentially nature spirits, including nymphs and the standard elementals), and a few other specific creatures. Certain animated objects (stone spirits that inhabit statues and animate them), aranea (spider demons, born from the spirits of certain mortal sinners), will-o'-wisps, dragon turtles, nagas, ogre mages, and vargouilles.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Elementals count, but those spirits you drink don't?

What about the Brandy Elemental? Is it at once a spirit and not a spirit for your purposes? Is this discussion soon to involve quantums? (Oops, there it goes, sneaky quantum buggers!)

And don't suggest that you don't drink those: They want to be imbided. They force themselves down your throat. They don't use slam attacks or the drow special ability (though they have the drown sorrows ability), but alcohol poisoning.

 

[lukelightning]

Unless you believe that brandy is a fundamental building block of the universe, you can't have a brandy elemental. One of my pet peeves is using "elemental" to mean any mass of animated material.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Unless you believe that brandy is a fundamental building block of the universe, you can't have a brandy elemental. One of my pet peeves is using "elemental" to mean any mass of animated material.

Makes as much sense as "fire". It may not be the building block for the boring, matter-of-well, matter part of the universe, but it's an elemental part of many a society.

If you insist, we make it a para-elemental (also type elemental, even if it's not a true elemental). That's stuff's called firewater for a reason!

 

[Storyteller01]

Unless you believe that brandy is a fundamental building block of the universe, you can't have a brandy elemental. One of my pet peeves is using "elemental" to mean any mass of animated material.

There are some that would believe it is.


The shaman's handbook (out BEFORE the complete divine. I'm sensing a pattern here...) has elementals, outsiders, and incorporeal undead as spirits.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

We have "shadow elementals" in official sources, and tons of other creatures of the elemental subtype, anyway, so I won't let pedantry ruin my bad jokes for me!

The shaman's handbook (out BEFORE the complete divine. I'm sensing a pattern here...)

The question is: Was that shaman's handbook out before Oriental Adventures/Rokugan d20? That's where Wizards first came up with the spirit subtype (and their first 3e shaman class, and the 3e shugenja).

 

[hong]

Unless you believe that brandy is a fundamental building block of the universe, you can't have a brandy elemental.

Well, no. That would be beer.