D&D (2024) Power sources to disambiguate the 5e spellcaster classes

[Yaarel]

Doublechecking the 2024 Bard class, Magical Secrets is at level 10. At this point, when a Bard prepares new spells, they can also choose them from the spell lists of arcane Wizard, divine Cleric, and primal Druid. Importantly, these imported spells count as if on the Bard spell list.

In the case of the psionic Bard, the soul is intuiting how these other spell casting techniques work, then casting these spell effects psionically. All of these spells are psionic. The Bard would normally employ an expressive Verbal component to cast them (regardless of how other classes cast them).


Conceptually, the psionic Bard would be able to cast a spell without any components, but perhaps such might require a successful Insight skill check to focus the mental intention clearly enough, without the self-expression. Perhaps a failure might waste the spell slot, grant advantage versus its saves, cast an unintended spell instead, or even some kind of mishap, if the system worked elegantly enough.

 

[bedir than]

Can you speak more as to how the 2024 Bard is "clearly psionic" considering there's no mention of that in the books?

 

[Scribe]

Can you speak more as to how the 2024 Bard is "clearly psionic" considering there's no mention of that in the books?

You have to run with @Yaarel 's definitions or none of this works.

As to the OP, its not bad. I do believe Psionic has a place, but Warlock needs to be its own little thing, since its not actually the Warlocks power, IMO.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

In an update Dark Sun the sorcerers should be primal, at least as option. There was a variant of divine sorcerer in "the complete champion".

I didn't like 4ed very much, but the idea of primal source was wellcome.

I miss the psions because I like to feel my PC is different and today the D&D wizards are relatively standards. I like the concept of ardent class, a psionic manifester who worships some divine power, and suffering a hard relation with the rest of divine spellcasters.

 

[Yaarel]

Can you speak more as to how the 2024 Bard is "clearly psionic" considering there's no mention of that in the books?

The Bard does psionic effects − mind effects, shapeshifting, being "psychic" − in a psionic way − personal self-expression.

The 2014 core didnt talk much about "psionic" for the same reason it didnt talk much about "primal". In 2024, the concepts of psionic and primal are present, but only in flavor text. There is no formal mention of "power sources". Instead, 2024 refers to the spell lists of three full spellcasters, Wizard, Druid, and Cleric, implying that they are the exemplars of the arcane, primal, and divine power sources, respectively. When a full-caster Psion happens, it too will likely be implied to be an exemplar of the psionic power source.

The 2024 Bard is ambiguously arcane, primal, and-or divine. But it is defacto a psionic class that accesses the other power sources psionically.

 

[Yaarel]

As to the OP, its not bad. I do believe Psionic has a place, but Warlock needs to be its own little thing, since its not actually the Warlocks power, IMO.

Elaborate? Are you saying, the "power source" of the Warlock is the patron? Therefor it is whatever power source the patron is using?

By making all the patrons be Astral, the divine power source applies. And the Astral Plane as a realm of ideals is highly diverse and versatile. For example, the Cleric can refer to unrelated "domains", since different themes are possible.