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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8048067" data-attributes="member: 6855259"><p>Ok so he can't use help. He can use shove and still generate his own advantage or he can position his hammer and himself so his opponent is flanked. The point is he can take an action to get advantage or neutralize disadvantage where another Rogue could not.</p><p></p><p>As for the feats you mention it absolutely is not in line with them, it is far more powerful. RAW, a Rogue build with GWM or PAM would be weak because none of the applicable weapons can be used with SA. You need some house rule SAs to make this a viable build at all. Sharpshooter has some value for a rogue but using it for a Rogue which relies on SA for damage instead of multiple attacks makes it weaker due to the -5 to hit.</p><p></p><p>Now with this spiritual hammer SA, you are right these feats do become way OP for a Rogue. A spiritual hammer Rogue can use GWM, PAM. He does not have to rely on finnesse weapons because his hammer is out there getting SA. It also makes sharpshooter for a Rogue a must have and makes the feat in general far more effective than it otherwise is.</p><p></p><p>First sharpshooter- RAW a rogue can use sharpshooter and SA but to do that he must take a -5 to hit to get the extra damage AND give up his dual wielding bonus attack making it substantially more difficult to land his SA. It is feast or famine, he will do more damage but will lose SA more often. Your Spritual weapon Rogue doesn't need to make this choice. He can attack with his hammer and get his SA damage and then attack with his sharpshooter and try for another +10 without risk. Or alternatively if he misses with spiritual weapon now he can even choose to go normal to get in his SA dice. In DPR this is going to be far better than a standard Rogue employing sharpshooter.</p><p></p><p>As for GWM and PAM. The Rogue can now wield a greatsword or a polearm, get all the advantages that come with that and still get his SA in with his spiritual weapon. Even if he takes no extra proficiencies he can wield a longsword or staff two-handed and get GWM extra damage.</p><p></p><p>If you like it do it, but it is absolutely far more powerful than a RAW Rogue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8048067, member: 6855259"] Ok so he can't use help. He can use shove and still generate his own advantage or he can position his hammer and himself so his opponent is flanked. The point is he can take an action to get advantage or neutralize disadvantage where another Rogue could not. As for the feats you mention it absolutely is not in line with them, it is far more powerful. RAW, a Rogue build with GWM or PAM would be weak because none of the applicable weapons can be used with SA. You need some house rule SAs to make this a viable build at all. Sharpshooter has some value for a rogue but using it for a Rogue which relies on SA for damage instead of multiple attacks makes it weaker due to the -5 to hit. Now with this spiritual hammer SA, you are right these feats do become way OP for a Rogue. A spiritual hammer Rogue can use GWM, PAM. He does not have to rely on finnesse weapons because his hammer is out there getting SA. It also makes sharpshooter for a Rogue a must have and makes the feat in general far more effective than it otherwise is. First sharpshooter- RAW a rogue can use sharpshooter and SA but to do that he must take a -5 to hit to get the extra damage AND give up his dual wielding bonus attack making it substantially more difficult to land his SA. It is feast or famine, he will do more damage but will lose SA more often. Your Spritual weapon Rogue doesn't need to make this choice. He can attack with his hammer and get his SA damage and then attack with his sharpshooter and try for another +10 without risk. Or alternatively if he misses with spiritual weapon now he can even choose to go normal to get in his SA dice. In DPR this is going to be far better than a standard Rogue employing sharpshooter. As for GWM and PAM. The Rogue can now wield a greatsword or a polearm, get all the advantages that come with that and still get his SA in with his spiritual weapon. Even if he takes no extra proficiencies he can wield a longsword or staff two-handed and get GWM extra damage. If you like it do it, but it is absolutely far more powerful than a RAW Rogue. [/QUOTE]
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