Squeezing

[Evil DM]

Hej folks,
I wonder about the differet rules for squeezing in the Player's Guide and the FR Underdark.
In the PG is written:

You can squeeze through or into a space that is at least half as wide as your normal space. ... ..., while squeezed in a narrow space you take a -4 penalty on attack rolls and a -4 penalty to AC.
...
To squeeze through or into a space less than half your space's width, you must use the Escape Artist Skill. You can't attack while using Escape Artist to squezze through or into a narrow space, you take -4 penalty to AC, and you lose any Dexterity bonus to AC.

So much for the Player's Guide. Now, the Underdark Source Book.

Narrow or Low:
An area that is smaller horizontally ... or smaller vertically. ... at least one-half the creature's space or height. A creature ... moves at one half its normal speed... . The cramped creature takes -2 circumstance penalty on attack rolls with light weapons and a -4 circumstance penalty with one-handed weapons. It cannot use two-handed weapons at all.
Narrow and Low:
A creature ... moves at one-quarter normal speed and takes attack penalties equal to twice those above.

Crawl-Navigable and Awkward Space are the next ones but the important ones are the two above.

You see what I mean?
Okay, one can say that the Underdark book is more specific but I wonder why you do not get any AC penalty or lose any DEX bonus.
What do you think?
Cheers, your Evil DM.

 

[Liquidsabre]

Use the rules in the PHB for Squeezing, they are identical to the ones found in the Player's Guide. I'd ignore most of what the Underdark rules use, but I'd use some of them to better represent movement in tiny caves and such.

PHB-PG are the official ways to ddeal with squeezing, and you should only add UnDrk stuffs to compliment squeezing when dealing with the unique environments found in the underdark.

 

[The Souljourner]

I would use both together... add the -4 AC to what the underdark book has... I like that it breaks it down by weapon size... makes a lot of sense. A dagger and a greatsword in a tight space are very different.

Note that you only lose dex when you're squeezing through something less than half your height/width, which the underdark passage doesn't talk about.

-The Souljourner