SRD Question (for Scott or Linae): 4e References or just Section Headings?

[Yair]

So this means, for example, I can have Demons in my licensed product, but they can't be Balors, Barlguras, Evistros, Glabrezus, Goristros, Hezrous, Immoliths, Mariliths, Mezzdemons, or Vrocks. I must make them up myself. Correct?

I'd add that my understanding of the answer is that you furthermore cannot have Christian demons, or Mesopatamian demons, or so on; you cannot redefine what "demon" means as per the MM entry (and demons have a specific entry in the MM defining them in general, not just the specific demons you mentioned).

 

[Dias Ex Machina]

You also have to look at the big picture. If you create a totally unique setting that totally falls into the 4ED GSL requirements with the single exception that you created an all-new mythos to demons, I sincerely doubt WOTC is going to pursue legal action or terminate your GSL for that.

 

[keterys]

The people of Southern Ergoth are known as Kagonesti to their brethren and wild elves to others. Use the rules for Elf, Player's Handbook.

The Silvanesti are a race originally related to the Kagonesti, but <insert whole new stat block>

etc. And Dragonlance gets to be a good example of how to do it.

Neidar and Theiwar instead of 'Dwarf', etc.

 

[Dias Ex Machina]

The people of Southern Ergoth are known as Kagonesti to their brethren and wild elves to others. Use the rules for Elf, Player's Handbook.

The Silvanesti are a race originally related to the Kagonesti, but <insert whole new stat block>

etc. And Dragonlance gets to be a good example of how to do it.

Neidar and Theiwar instead of 'Dwarf', etc.

Ding dong...smart person talking above!

I agree totally. For us, we have Damaskans and Laudenians. In the fluff, characters refer to them as elves, but they are not titled in the book as such. That would be another way around.

 

[Cam Banks]

The people of Southern Ergoth are known as Kagonesti to their brethren and wild elves to others. Use the rules for Elf, Player's Handbook.

The Silvanesti are a race originally related to the Kagonesti, but <insert whole new stat block>

etc. And Dragonlance gets to be a good example of how to do it.

Neidar and Theiwar instead of 'Dwarf', etc.

Well, we don't really need to change dwarves too much. We'd add a Dark Dwarf race to cover Theiwar and Daergar, and Gully Dwarves of course.

Interestingly, Ansalon's elves are now located in two chief locations, across the continent from each other: Gilthas and his united elven refugees in Inath-Wakenti, near Khur; and Amara Pathfinder and the elves that fled Southern Ergoth to Cristyne, in the ancient elven city of Baleph. The Inath-Wakenti elves would equate to Eladrin, especially since that valley is inherently magical and could pass on its fey-like traits to those elves. The elves of Baleph fit very well with the 4e Elf.

But that's a "current era" Age of Mortals development. War of the Lance era campaigns would need the modified elf and eladrin stats I was talking about.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Yair]

Ding dong...smart person talking above!

I agree totally. For us, we have Damaskans and Laudenians. In the fluff, characters refer to them as elves, but they are not titled in the book as such. That would be another way around.

Yep.

I don't understand why it seems you don't want to do the same with demons. Just have people refer to them as "demons" in the fluff, but call them "Shedim" (that's the Hebrew name for "demons"), "Asura", or whatever.

 

[Scholar & Brutalman]

Yep.

I don't understand why it seems you don't want to do the same with demons. Just have people refer to them as "demons" in the fluff, but call them "Shedim" (that's the Hebrew name for "demons"), "Asura", or whatever.

Or even just "Fiends"

 

[Dias Ex Machina]

Yep.

I don't understand why it seems you don't want to do the same with demons. Just have people refer to them as "demons" in the fluff, but call them "Shedim" (that's the Hebrew name for "demons"), "Asura", or whatever.

That's brilliant...OR you could create a race that is referred to by many names including demon or shedim or jinn.

 

[SPECTRE666]

-I think we now know why WotC redesigned the Demons and Devils in 4E. Then promptly took them away. No more Blood War in 4E. And to put the Blood War back in would that be redefining according to the GSL? Say a publisher wanted to go back to the Great Wheel in 4E, would that be redefining the planes according to the GSL?


SPECTRE666

 

[Carnivorous_Bean]

From what the GSL looks like, I'd say they're defining D&D not as a set of rules, but as a whole setting like Conan or C'thulhu stuff. Thus, they want you to write stuff to supplement the 'canon,' not set up your own independent 'canon' using the same rules.

That's what it looks like to me, anyway.