Staff Fighting and Dual Implement Spellcaster

[Squire James]

Double Swords. Swordmages. It's not only two weapons, it's two different implement types.

I do not agree with your premise that the mere existence of Swordmages and double weapons proves the existence of "double implements". In this instance, I think you still have a swordmage with a double weapon that can be used as a SINGLE implement. Of course, this could be defined as a "grey area" since I don't think I see a section on "Swordmages and Double Weapons" anywhere in a rulebook.

At any rate, regardless of explanations, I choose to use Occam's Razor on the whole matter and simply rule that Dual Implement Spellcaster requires the use of two unconnected objects. Of course, this decision is easier since I allow neither swordmages nor double weapons in my campaign (for flavor reasons, not balance reasons).

 

[Kingreaper]

However, it would not be a lie to say "each worker has built this car", especially if it were in answer to "which worker has built this car?"

Yes it would be a lie.

For that answer to be true, each worker would need to have built the entire car, by him or herself.

For the statement "each X is Y" or "Each X has done Y" to be true, the statement "Xi is Y" or "Xi has done Y" must be true for every X.

It is not true that "worker number 12 has built this car". That makes the statement false.

A true, and similar, statement could be "each worker has worked on this car"


Likewise if I stated "each worker is paid $10,000 an hour" and no individual worker is paid that much (although all the workers pay put together may add to that sum) I would be lying

That is what the word means. Trying to creatively redefine it so that you can lie and claim you're not lying doesn't work.

 

[CovertOps]

Actually, a penny can be in cup A and in cup B. Cup A just has to be in cup B.

However, to be WIELDING a quarterstaff in each hand, each hand must be wielding a quarterstaff.

That is, considered individually, every hand must be wielding a quarterstaff. The left hand, considered individually, is not capable of wielding a quarterstaff. Nor is the right hand.

Much like it would be a lie to say "Each worker in this car factory has built 5,000 cars" when the factory has 1,000 workers, and has built 5,000 cars.

All the workers, put together, have built 5,000 cars. No individual worker has done so.

Pretending for a moment that you are correct, it could explain why CB works like it does. Since a "staff implement" is a ONE handed item if you hold it "two handed" then you are indeed "wielding" a staff implement in each hand individually (without the benefit of Staff Fighting).

That said we must go back to the phrasing of the rules for double weapons:
* Wielding a double weapon is like wielding a weapon in each hand.

You are not "literally" wielding a weapon in each hand, you are only treated as if you are. In other words, wielding ONE double weapon is LIKE wielding a weapon in each hand (even though you are not actually doing so).