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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7953732" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>What IS toxicity though?</p><p></p><p>The labeling of fan criticism in that light seemed to originate as a major thing to say with a specific individual and their response to criticism to their film (The Last Jedi). That response basically exploded a LOT of the internet statements on this. Ironically, it was to brush aside criticism and to downplay it as anyone who said any criticism as being toxic or the toxic fanbase.</p><p></p><p>There ARE bad things that people do to others (and the aforementioned Kelly Marie Tran is a good example of such things....though we should have also mentioned the other actors in Star Wars that have also had such things happen to them, especially the minorities both from the past (best) and recent (Boyega).</p><p></p><p>A LOT of the toxic stuff these days I do not see coming from fans though. The usage of the term is a way to brush off criticism rather than to listen and respond constructively. I see far more of it coming from those trying to ignore the criticism and brush it aside. It's used as an insult rather than anything else.</p><p></p><p>AS it IS an insult, it infuriates those it insults. They may not even understand WHY they are reacting in this fashion, as it is more of a hidden insult, but instinctively they know what it is and respond in like fashion. This causes and explosion of criticism then and many times that criticism is neither well thought out nor even plausible. It's being said because people were made angry by being brushed off with an insult. I think this is a problem with the term nowdays and how it is being used.</p><p></p><p>There's good criticism, and there's poor criticism. The difference is understanding the difference and responding respectively to them in the degree needed. Instead of calling things toxic, I think we should instead refer to better terms and understand how and why we are calling it that.</p><p></p><p>For example, as this is supposed to be discussing Picard...I see Star Trek Picard as a response to criticism over Star Trek Discovery. I did not see a toxic response (or any toxicity in that degree) from the creators of Star Trek in this way (though as I've said, I may be out of the loop on this). I think they took the idea of criticism and applied it to the various shows they were making.</p><p></p><p>With STD, they made season 2 more reflective of the original series and tried to incorporate more designs from the Original series (uniforms, responses, characters) into it. I'm not sure if they were successful or not in answering those critcisms constructively, but to me it seemed at times almost like they were falling to nostalgia with some of the fallbacks.</p><p></p><p>At the same time, they created Picard as the answer for all those who wanted that followup to TNG and that era of TV series. I think they did a good job in regards to how to do so in this era of TV. They followed the modern way TV shows seem to be going when streaming, with a season long continuous plot that goes on for several episodes. We also had the strong nostalgia glasses of old characters showing up...and of course even responding to older criticism (of ST:Nemesis) in seeing another way for an old friend (Data) to be seen.</p><p></p><p>Maybe I'm just too easy to please in general, but I thought it was done well enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 7953732, member: 4348"] What IS toxicity though? The labeling of fan criticism in that light seemed to originate as a major thing to say with a specific individual and their response to criticism to their film (The Last Jedi). That response basically exploded a LOT of the internet statements on this. Ironically, it was to brush aside criticism and to downplay it as anyone who said any criticism as being toxic or the toxic fanbase. There ARE bad things that people do to others (and the aforementioned Kelly Marie Tran is a good example of such things....though we should have also mentioned the other actors in Star Wars that have also had such things happen to them, especially the minorities both from the past (best) and recent (Boyega). A LOT of the toxic stuff these days I do not see coming from fans though. The usage of the term is a way to brush off criticism rather than to listen and respond constructively. I see far more of it coming from those trying to ignore the criticism and brush it aside. It's used as an insult rather than anything else. AS it IS an insult, it infuriates those it insults. They may not even understand WHY they are reacting in this fashion, as it is more of a hidden insult, but instinctively they know what it is and respond in like fashion. This causes and explosion of criticism then and many times that criticism is neither well thought out nor even plausible. It's being said because people were made angry by being brushed off with an insult. I think this is a problem with the term nowdays and how it is being used. There's good criticism, and there's poor criticism. The difference is understanding the difference and responding respectively to them in the degree needed. Instead of calling things toxic, I think we should instead refer to better terms and understand how and why we are calling it that. For example, as this is supposed to be discussing Picard...I see Star Trek Picard as a response to criticism over Star Trek Discovery. I did not see a toxic response (or any toxicity in that degree) from the creators of Star Trek in this way (though as I've said, I may be out of the loop on this). I think they took the idea of criticism and applied it to the various shows they were making. With STD, they made season 2 more reflective of the original series and tried to incorporate more designs from the Original series (uniforms, responses, characters) into it. I'm not sure if they were successful or not in answering those critcisms constructively, but to me it seemed at times almost like they were falling to nostalgia with some of the fallbacks. At the same time, they created Picard as the answer for all those who wanted that followup to TNG and that era of TV series. I think they did a good job in regards to how to do so in this era of TV. They followed the modern way TV shows seem to be going when streaming, with a season long continuous plot that goes on for several episodes. We also had the strong nostalgia glasses of old characters showing up...and of course even responding to older criticism (of ST:Nemesis) in seeing another way for an old friend (Data) to be seen. Maybe I'm just too easy to please in general, but I thought it was done well enough. [/QUOTE]
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