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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7593119" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Just generally how Jedi are potrayed in Legends and Canon. Trainings a big part of it you don't see Luke in a lightsaber duel or using mind trick in ANH. You don't see Anakin busting out force lightning or telekinesis untrained in TPM.  Early on the force seems more subtle. You don't just pick up a lightsaber untrained and duel a trained whatever Kylo is. Or use telekinesis and win, Luke could barely pull his saber out of snow. Anakin and a Luke both lost limbs taking on trained force users, Rey kinda wins.  She's pulling stuff Anakin can't do with 10 years training. Luke had artoo plot hyperspace for him. And trainings a big part of the OT, prequels etc in canon and legends.   Rey's pulling off better than Jedi Knight and Sith apprentice type stuff and pulling Jedi master force jumps over TIE fighters.  Ask yourself in universe why bother being trained. They didn't provide an explanation in the movies, they did in the books but that reason contradicts Yoda's teachings on the dark side being quicker, easier. Nope just be Rey and download it. Why train when a force meld can give you Jedi Knight/Master powers. They could just have made Rey the galaxies youngest ever Jedi Knight/Master she's on a different level than Luke at the end of Episode VI where he becomes a Jedi Knight although I suppose he might have been one start of RotJ. She's also ahead of Anakin in power at least on screen power cartoon maybe not but 10 years training can none chosen one etc. The two movies are over a matter of hours, days at best there's no time jump like APM to AotC. It's also compelling storylines they don't have a compelling villaiain or support characters either. Phasma is a chump, Hux comic relief, Kylo is back and forth/ Darth Emo, Finn is a cowardly idiot (twice), Rose new character bad sub plot, and Pow is also an idiot. A new Vice Admiral turns up that's new, we don't care about and they kill Ackbar off screen. And they chopped Snoke in half and kill off Luke and Han.  Why are we supposed to care about these characters again? They're all unlikeable idiots villain, hero doesn't matter. Rey had her moments and isn't unlikeable as such more she is just there being a superhero. In Star Wars, no real dark side temptation, no loss of control, no anger etc. Luke got angry beat Vader. Anakin gave into his anger and put in a good showing vs a Jedi Knight borderline Master. These are Star Wars tropes. I get they need to do different stuff, but Legends had a better sexual trilogy, had a better Han origin story have they learned nothing in 25 years IRL? Legends also gave us  Dark Empire though so yeah. They had the ingredients band bollocked it up and wonder why no one wants to buy the toys etc.</blockquote>

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