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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7594228" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Rey basically gets a pass by being a good pilot, and 9 year old Anakin is terrible. Force sensitives can make good pilots, that is not a big stretch. You don't see luka and Anakin throwing around force powers untrained and/or they're not very good at the minimal ones they do know (Luke in ANH vs training droids).</p><p></p><p> Kylo also had a good introduction he freezed a blastbolt in mid air, it does kinda echo Vader using negate energy on Hans blaster. Rey also had a good introduction its the second half of TFA hings get stupid. That is where she has had no training whatsoever. You would expect her to et better after being trained by Luke.</p><p></p><p> However that chase seen does kind of set the pacing of the movies, her training was very short or it was the longest chase scene ever. The movie starts right after TFA leaves off and she get to the resistance base at the end to save them. </p><p></p><p> For canon vs legends I just check the wiki they have tags there. There is new canon I have not read and its useful for that. That does cover thigns like where Rey gets her powerrs from but </p><p></p><p>1. It happens off camera, that kinda needs to be in the movies as its the movies we have an issue with (mostly just TLJ, TFA was decent enough).</p><p>2. The explanation is still stupid and makes the PT/OT movies stupid/pointless.</p><p></p><p> Its a very noticeable difference how Rey and Anakin/Luke is presented. Kid Anakin did some very stupid things but so was Rey piloting the falcon through a wrecked Star Destroyer. They kind of get a pass there as they're force sensitives who are special in the Star Wars universe. </p><p></p><p> Even ignoring the old legends material (which had a better sequel trilogy and Han backstory), it stands out a lot just using the new canon sources. Its piss poor world building and continuity in an established franchise (no big deal if you're doing your own/new thing).</p><p></p><p> As for claims like the movies are for kids, or Star Wars fatigue etc well Marvel can pump out 3 movies a year. The average Star Wars fan is also not a kid so they messed up their target audience if thats what they were aiming at.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.quantcast.com/blog/the-fans-behind-the-force/" target="_blank">https://www.quantcast.com/blog/the-fans-behind-the-force/</a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://digiday.com/marketing/star-wars-demographics-male/" target="_blank">https://digiday.com/marketing/star-wars-demographics-male/</a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/26/star-wars-the-force-awakens-jj-abrams-average-fan" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/26/star-wars-the-force-awakens-jj-abrams-average-fan</a></p><p></p><p> So yeah they may have missed the boat on their target audience and wonder why people are upset. Playing the "this is canon game" is still crap as your fanbase grew up with stuff Lucasfilm was happy to sell you which feeds into fan expectations etc. I gave them a free pass in 2014 when they nuked the old EU, it had problems especially when you want to make new movies but they haven't really replaced it with anything better. TFA plot is literally any old EU plot circa 1991-1996 and legends had better female Jedi as well the fans actually like -Mara is one of the most popular characters in Star Wars in polls, so is Thrawn (and they brought him back). </p><p></p><p> Its like 4E when they declared new is better, the fanbase liked the old stuff better. Up to a point you have to cater yo your fans expectations, casuals and kids you basically already have them. Being older doesn't automatically make it better either, Rogue One story was actually better than the Legends version of it. And there was plenty of trash in the old EU.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7594228, member: 6716779"] Rey basically gets a pass by being a good pilot, and 9 year old Anakin is terrible. Force sensitives can make good pilots, that is not a big stretch. You don't see luka and Anakin throwing around force powers untrained and/or they're not very good at the minimal ones they do know (Luke in ANH vs training droids). Kylo also had a good introduction he freezed a blastbolt in mid air, it does kinda echo Vader using negate energy on Hans blaster. Rey also had a good introduction its the second half of TFA hings get stupid. That is where she has had no training whatsoever. You would expect her to et better after being trained by Luke. However that chase seen does kind of set the pacing of the movies, her training was very short or it was the longest chase scene ever. The movie starts right after TFA leaves off and she get to the resistance base at the end to save them. For canon vs legends I just check the wiki they have tags there. There is new canon I have not read and its useful for that. That does cover thigns like where Rey gets her powerrs from but 1. It happens off camera, that kinda needs to be in the movies as its the movies we have an issue with (mostly just TLJ, TFA was decent enough). 2. The explanation is still stupid and makes the PT/OT movies stupid/pointless. Its a very noticeable difference how Rey and Anakin/Luke is presented. Kid Anakin did some very stupid things but so was Rey piloting the falcon through a wrecked Star Destroyer. They kind of get a pass there as they're force sensitives who are special in the Star Wars universe. Even ignoring the old legends material (which had a better sequel trilogy and Han backstory), it stands out a lot just using the new canon sources. Its piss poor world building and continuity in an established franchise (no big deal if you're doing your own/new thing). As for claims like the movies are for kids, or Star Wars fatigue etc well Marvel can pump out 3 movies a year. The average Star Wars fan is also not a kid so they messed up their target audience if thats what they were aiming at. [URL]https://www.quantcast.com/blog/the-fans-behind-the-force/[/URL] [URL]https://digiday.com/marketing/star-wars-demographics-male/[/URL] [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/26/star-wars-the-force-awakens-jj-abrams-average-fan[/URL] So yeah they may have missed the boat on their target audience and wonder why people are upset. Playing the "this is canon game" is still crap as your fanbase grew up with stuff Lucasfilm was happy to sell you which feeds into fan expectations etc. I gave them a free pass in 2014 when they nuked the old EU, it had problems especially when you want to make new movies but they haven't really replaced it with anything better. TFA plot is literally any old EU plot circa 1991-1996 and legends had better female Jedi as well the fans actually like -Mara is one of the most popular characters in Star Wars in polls, so is Thrawn (and they brought him back). Its like 4E when they declared new is better, the fanbase liked the old stuff better. Up to a point you have to cater yo your fans expectations, casuals and kids you basically already have them. Being older doesn't automatically make it better either, Rogue One story was actually better than the Legends version of it. And there was plenty of trash in the old EU. [/QUOTE]
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