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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7594661" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>No issue with female characters whatsoever. I am big on liking characters in a show even if its a villain. A good villain needs to be compelling. I like Batman, Superman is boring (he is overpowered and kryptonite comes into play yay). There were more interesting female characters in the old legends material than Rey. Your idea about the lightsaber is interesting I associate a sword with nobility more than a phallic symbol. In Star Wars Legends they had a female Sith lord Lumiya and she used a light whip, and they also had lightsaber staffs. In rebels the more interesting characters are the female ones, the 2 male Jedi are alright but they''re not overly powerful in the grand scheme of things and each character tends to be good at something not everything. Lumiya originated in the 80's Star Wars Marvel comics and I read about her in the 90's and she ended up killing Lukes wife Mara who was basically the greatest Jedi character ever in the old EU at least in that time frame. It wasn't because she was the most powerful in the force although she was good there.</p><p></p><p> More or less agree about making a new franchise rather than gender swap characters, except in a few cases where it makes some amount of in universe sense like Doctor Who perhaps. Jane Bond would be terrible, a female 00' agent would be fine. Some characters are to difficult to recast from the same actor let alone swapping genders, imagine a new Pirates of the Caribbean with an actor who is no Johny Depp as Jack Sparrow, Solo may have had this issue (Han is Harrison Ford). 9/10 things like that suck, Battlestar Galactica Starbuck is one of the few cases I can recall it has been done well. I would have just made Rey a Jedi Knight or Master, everything she does would make perfect senses in that scenario as she isn't really doing anything you wouldn't expect from a Jedi protagonist. Alot of the problems are not even on here, they undermined every other character on the movie to make her look good (intentional or not IDK). That includes the Villains (Hux is comic relief, Kylo is weak/emo, Phasma keeps losing etc). You don't see Vader getting hurt by Hans blaster bolt for example. Vaders a badass, Kylo is my sister in laws 5 year old. Thrawns interesting and compelling and doesn't have any superpowers. </p><p></p><p> Change in established franchises isn't always bad, but I think you need to be respectful to the source material. 5E is is good in that regard, 4E not so much. Extreme change tends to ruin things or negate the things you like about that franchise in the 1st place and I admit to being a reactionary on this in terms of franchises I care about. For example I only really have 2 RPGS, D&D and Star Wars. The only D&D world I care about is Darksun (they blew FR up and I stopped caring). After that its story and characters, I like Stargate for example gave up on Stargate Universe. I don't like 4E Darksun for example because it came across as sandbox Arabian Nights vibe vs the brutality in the 2E version, 4E Eberron was not to bad relative to the 3.5 one. </p><p></p><p> Hollywood has bigger problems anyway and we're getting a few high profile bombs in the last few years (Disney outside Marvel has made a few). They somehow made the first Star Wars bomb and the movie wasn't even bad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7594661, member: 6716779"] No issue with female characters whatsoever. I am big on liking characters in a show even if its a villain. A good villain needs to be compelling. I like Batman, Superman is boring (he is overpowered and kryptonite comes into play yay). There were more interesting female characters in the old legends material than Rey. Your idea about the lightsaber is interesting I associate a sword with nobility more than a phallic symbol. In Star Wars Legends they had a female Sith lord Lumiya and she used a light whip, and they also had lightsaber staffs. In rebels the more interesting characters are the female ones, the 2 male Jedi are alright but they''re not overly powerful in the grand scheme of things and each character tends to be good at something not everything. Lumiya originated in the 80's Star Wars Marvel comics and I read about her in the 90's and she ended up killing Lukes wife Mara who was basically the greatest Jedi character ever in the old EU at least in that time frame. It wasn't because she was the most powerful in the force although she was good there. More or less agree about making a new franchise rather than gender swap characters, except in a few cases where it makes some amount of in universe sense like Doctor Who perhaps. Jane Bond would be terrible, a female 00' agent would be fine. Some characters are to difficult to recast from the same actor let alone swapping genders, imagine a new Pirates of the Caribbean with an actor who is no Johny Depp as Jack Sparrow, Solo may have had this issue (Han is Harrison Ford). 9/10 things like that suck, Battlestar Galactica Starbuck is one of the few cases I can recall it has been done well. I would have just made Rey a Jedi Knight or Master, everything she does would make perfect senses in that scenario as she isn't really doing anything you wouldn't expect from a Jedi protagonist. Alot of the problems are not even on here, they undermined every other character on the movie to make her look good (intentional or not IDK). That includes the Villains (Hux is comic relief, Kylo is weak/emo, Phasma keeps losing etc). You don't see Vader getting hurt by Hans blaster bolt for example. Vaders a badass, Kylo is my sister in laws 5 year old. Thrawns interesting and compelling and doesn't have any superpowers. Change in established franchises isn't always bad, but I think you need to be respectful to the source material. 5E is is good in that regard, 4E not so much. Extreme change tends to ruin things or negate the things you like about that franchise in the 1st place and I admit to being a reactionary on this in terms of franchises I care about. For example I only really have 2 RPGS, D&D and Star Wars. The only D&D world I care about is Darksun (they blew FR up and I stopped caring). After that its story and characters, I like Stargate for example gave up on Stargate Universe. I don't like 4E Darksun for example because it came across as sandbox Arabian Nights vibe vs the brutality in the 2E version, 4E Eberron was not to bad relative to the 3.5 one. Hollywood has bigger problems anyway and we're getting a few high profile bombs in the last few years (Disney outside Marvel has made a few). They somehow made the first Star Wars bomb and the movie wasn't even bad. [/QUOTE]
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