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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7562446" data-attributes="member: 37579">You SAY that but look at your points from the first thread:Now, 1a, 2a, 1b, 4b, and 5b are unrelated to TLJ. Because TFA started the terrible world building, had very purposeful diversity, and JJ Abrams was allowed to do whatever he wanted. And while Abrams mapped out a trilogy very loosely, he never gave it to LucasFilms or shared it with Johnson; it was basically his head-canon. And video games are unrelated to Disney as Star Wars video games have been terrible for a while, as EA is focused entirely on multiplayer shooters that they can slap loot crates onto. Different company. As for burning down the EU... that was necessary, as making a sequel set 25 years after Return of the Jedi in the EU would have been impossible as so much had happened. Ridiculous numbers of new characters, several dead characters, unexplained character growth, multiple huge invasions.  But let's not kid ourselves. None of this was a problem until The Last Jedi. Why? Because it was *slightly* divisive. Because Rose was apparently too much diversity. Because Luke wasn't the over powered star and Rey was the new protagonist. Here's a bunch of IMdb charts showing how men and women rate the various Star Wars films for the prequels. and sequels.[ATTACH]104740[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]104741[/ATTACH][ATTACH]104742[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]104743[/ATTACH][ATTACH]104750[/ATTACH][ATTACH]104745[/ATTACH][ATTACH]104746[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]104747[/ATTACH][ATTACH]104748[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]104749[/ATTACH]Notice how for all of them women and men seem to rate them roughly the same. Even the bad ones. Men are a little more likely to rate things a 1-star, but only by 1% or so. And then we get to TLJ and the huuuuge disproportionate spike of 1s. Now, why is the reason. Clearly some women didn't like it either, but far more men decided to rate this lower than Caravan of Courage or the Holiday Special. I'm not saying you have to like TLJ. Although somewhere between 85-75% of the audience really liked it and found it a good movie. But holding it up as "the problem" and complaining about it more than, oh, The Phantom Menace might be unnecessary. However, continuing to rail against TLJ puts you in the same camps as some pretty toxic elements of the fandom.</blockquote>

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