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Star Wars What I Would Have Done

Zardnaar

Legend
Well recently the financials have come in and Star Wars it seems may not be in a good place. Toy sales are not good, Solo lost money, TLJ made quite a bit less than TFA and probably contributed to Solo being a flop. Several planned movies are either cancelled or AFK.

Some of the new Disney cannon has been well received, TLJ has caused a bit of a stir. Getting past the hyperbole I do not think TLJ is the worst SW movie of all time (Attack of the CLnes and Phantom Menace say hi), but it is problematic on several levels. This is combined with several other things Disney has done that in hind sight may not have been a great idea and even at the time I wondered what they were thinking. The two major balls up seems to be.

1. Not having the new trilogy mapped out at least in broad terms.
2. Letting Rian Johnson do whatever the hell he wanted.

Apparently Abrams did leave a map for episode VIII behind, but Johnson ignored it. Having rewatched Episode VII again recently Abrams did plant a lot of interesting plot hooks behind that were either not followed up on or were trashed. I don't think Disney has done a universally bad job of things and there are things like Rebels and Rogue One that I think hold up very well. Anyway here is what I would have done differently.

1. Burning Down the Old Expanded Universe.

The old EU was a mixed bag. The best of it is generally well regarded by the fans but there was some utter trash. I can understand why Disney burned it down. A big problem though for Disney is they have been reinserting a lot of it back into the new canon or some of the new characters seem to be pale imitations of previous EU characters that are even less interesting. Thrawn for example turned up in Rebels along with Inquisitors and Kylo Ren seems to be based off Jacen Solo and Ben Skywalker. The old EU arguably reinvigorated Star Wars for a new audience back in 1991 as in the late 80's Star Wars was functionally dead. For the most part they built on the original movies and the fans here were probably some of the most fanatical SW fans you can find. The ones that what in line for 24+ hours for tickets to The Phantom Menace or still like the Thrawn trilogy as the pinnacle of the old EU. If I acquired rights to Star Wars I would have cherry picked the EU for the new canon (yes i would have retconned the old post Endor EU as well). I would have used a scalpel though rather than an atomic bomb and I would have left the ancient past such as the Knights of the Old Republic era as canon along with some of the better pre endor novels, games an comics. I might have even diverged the EU after the Thrawn books and kept ideas such as Luke building a new Jedi Academy. Note the core plot line of the First Order could still work with the first 5 years or so of the old EU. Dark Empire did kind of need to die in a bonfire. The Battle of Jakku could have occurred after Thrawn was defeated and the Empire sues for peace. The Old Republic, Darth Plageius, and Darth Bane etc would have remained canon. The new canon avoids the lows of the old (Aftermath trilogy apparently not good), but has failed to deliver a new Thrawn trilogy equivalent (or Rogue Squadron, or Bane trilogy or KoToR, or....). The height of the new canon is the Darth Vader comics, which could have been done in the old EU as well.

2. Video Games
There was a brief time when the golden age of Star Wars video games happened. This was approximately 1999-2009 or so. 2009 was also the last time a great Star Wars video game was made (The Force Unleashed). Since then there have only been a handful of Games made- The Old Republic and Battlefront I and II. That 10 year period saw most of the classic Star Wars game released (with a few from 1994+ such as TIE Fighter). This includes things such as Jedi Knight, Rebellion, Galaxies, Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, the original Battlefield (Battlefront) I and II, Empire at War and the Force Unleashed. The sub standard EA games short term are making money but EA shares have halved in the last year due to several titles under performing and may be inflicting long term damage on the brand. It has been a decade since we have had a good to great star Wars game. The new canon has also failed to generate a decent let alone good game. I would have licensed out individual games rather than sign an exclusive long term deal with EA. Shorterm you make money, long term you might trash the reputation and income of both the games and future Star Wars movies.

3. The Last Jedi

In a vacuum TLJ is not to bad, its not the worst SW film IMHO. However it was a sequel that basically failed to follow up TFA, and the new characters mildly are being compared to the old ones. There are also silly things such as the Holdo Manoeuvre which involves sending a ship into hyperspace to take out something like the new bigger, better Super Star Destroyer. This is along with an entire sub plot no one cared about, and subverting the audiences expectations but in a bad way. Like it or not it was this movie that seems to have inflicted a lot of damage on the SW universe. TFA was a big hit, Solo lost money and the toys are in the doldrums. At a most basic level who is the villain for episode 9? The obvious answer is Kylo Ren but he is weaker than say Vader and the Emperor and he has been defeated multiple times. This means that if Rey defeats him it won't matter that much or they will have to come up with something clever. Rumour has it there is a new villain revealed for episode IX. Kylo is basically ineffective as a villain although maybe they will go with a redemption arc (boring) or a double turn (interesting). A double turn is Ben is redeemed and Rey goes dark. My solution would have been better world building, better character development and not doing TLJ as is. For example with Rey could could have tweaked her back ground a bit perhaps being a Jedi survivor of Kylos betrayal which would have tied her to both Luke and Kylo and explained how she was so power and you could have done it with 5 minutes of exposition. It would have also lessened the TFA is a rehash argument where she basically has the same backstory as Luke and both were on a desert planet. The Villains such as Hux, Kylo and Snoke (before TLJ) were kind of stealing the show as the new characters are less interesting than both the old ones or even the prequals (Obi Wan, Mace Windu, Jango Fett).

4. Diversity (for diversity's sake)

Before anyone gets all hot and bothered a lot of flak has been fired at Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy (note Abrams avoids most of this along with Rogue One with a female protagonist). If you really want to go deeper have a look at various youtube videos (you have been warned). The trolls get a lot of attention but it seems that they have upset a significant amount of the Star Wars fanbase. This is also against a back drop of similar things being done in other movies such as Ghostbusters II, Oceans 8 which also under performed. Extremists on both sides have not help the situation and broadly speaking those extremists are the anti women/diversity at all costs trolls and the ones that dismiss any justifiable criticism of Disney Star Wars. Overall I think the main problem here is the way TLJ was made over something like TFA which while perhaps a bit of a rehash largely avoided the uproar over TLJ. The difference here I think is storytelling and making something original even if its based off something else. Star Wars has always been a mixed bag when it comes to women and minorities and it often comes down to how they are written not what race/gender they are. For example Leia, Mace Windu and Lando Calrissian are probably more popular overall than say Padme, Rose and Finn. Remakes where they gender switch the old cast don't seem to be doing so well while new original stuff such as Black Panther and Game of Thrones do well. Basically diversity is great but you still need a compelling storyline and compelling characters along with a villain you love to hate (Vader, Joffrey, Cersei Lalnister etc). For example Finn comes across as a bit of a snivelling coward deep into TLJ. They perhaps dragged that character development out a bit long, compare with ANH where Han is a mercenary character but once he saves the princess, he saves Luke at the end and becomes a big time hero and in Empire he saves Luke again which feeds into his friends saving him in RotJ. If Rey was a Jedi survivor for example she has a reason why she is so powerful. A very big trope in the OT, prequels, and even the end of TFA with Kylo was training and that includes the old EU and things like games such as Knights of the Old Republic. There were more interesting female characters in the old EU, the most popular was probably Mara Jade (lukes enemy turned into wife) and Hans daughter Jaina was a lot more interesting than her brother. Strong female characters are nothing new (since 1991 at least perhaps the 80s with Lumiya) for fans of the old EU/Legends. We still have not seen a major female character that is a Jedi Knight/Master or a Sith Lord in a big screen movie (comics, games and cartoon yeah). Lumiya, Darth Zannah, Darth Treya, Jaina, Mara, Bastila Shan were all interesting. Even in the old EU sloppy writing can ruin a potentially interesting character though (Admiral Daala).

5. World building. TFA did not do a great job of world building and TLJ did even worse. Answers have been provided in the new canon, but the movies were fairly minimal here and even the prequels were better in terms of say the Republic. Things were kind of hinted at in the new movies but either not followed up on or fairly bare boned. For example what is the difference between the Republic and resistance in TFA. How did the First Order get so powerful and why did the Rebels drop the ball after Endor. The OT had the Galactic Empire and the Emperor but you knew they were evil and were a big threat. TFA being a sequel should have had a bit more explanation IMHO.

TLDR version. More effort in world building, character development, somewhat logical in universe explanations with way better followup on plot points JJ Abrams cleverly weaved into TFA would have avoided a lot of problems.
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
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Well recently the financials have come in and Star Wars it seems may not be in a good place. Toy sales are not good, Solo lost money, TLJ made quite a bit less than TFA and probably contributed to Solo being a flop.

The Last Jedi grossed more than a *billion* dollars over its production budget. There is no reason to see this as not doing spectacularly. Did it make less than TFA? Yes. But pretty much every sequel makes less than the first in a series. This is not a cause for concern.

Lucasfilm/Disney are probably realizing that yearly releases of movies saturates the market.

There is no such thing as, "diversity for diversity's sake." It is diversity for the sake of those who are not represented, and of the sake of those who need to learn that there are many kinds of people, all valuable. Failing to represent humanity is a failing.

Oh, and by the way, from 2014 to 2018, female-led films outperformed male-led movies at the box office. So, it is at worst diversity for the sake of selling more tickets.
 

Shasarak

Banned
Banned
I dont really get their definition of female-led films:

Here is their list in descending order of revenue:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Jurassic World, Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Furious 7, Beauty and the Beast, The Fate of the Furious, Captain America: Civil War, Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, Zootopia, Finding Dory
 

Zardnaar

Legend
The Last Jedi grossed more than a *billion* dollars over its production budget. There is no reason to see this as not doing spectacularly. Did it make less than TFA? Yes. But pretty much every sequel makes less than the first in a series. This is not a cause for concern.

Lucasfilm/Disney are probably realizing that yearly releases of movies saturates the market.

There is no such thing as, "diversity for diversity's sake." It is diversity for the sake of those who are not represented, and of the sake of those who need to learn that there are many kinds of people, all valuable. Failing to represent humanity is a failing.

Oh, and by the way, from 2014 to 2018, female-led films outperformed male-led movies at the box office. So, it is at worst diversity for the sake of selling more tickets.

I don't think the problem is female lead films at all. Or even diverse films (Wonder Women, Black Panther) but it boils down to story telling. If I was the grand high poobah I would have had a female lead or female villain because we still have not seen a major female Jedi Knight/master or Sith Lord (lady). We know they exist both in legends and canon.

Also note that TFA and Rogue One dodge most of the flak.

Star Wars fatigue I think is a thing. It used to be a once a decade thing with 3 years between films,

Mostly I just blame The Last Jedi, the prequels had their problems but they told a coherent story. The big problem with the new ones IMHO is you don't tend to care about the characters so whatever they are doing doesn't matter as much.

Even in the prequels you had things like Fett, Obi Wan, Palpatine or even Anakin in the RotS when he cut down the younglings. Another way of putting it would be look at Phsma, she was potentially very great and what did they do with her? Both Luke and Vader went through trials and tribulations losing limbs in the 2nd movie. Without that character development/vulnerability I think you lose that connection to the films.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
The Last Jedi grossed more than a *billion* dollars over its production budget. There is no reason to see this as not doing spectacularly. Did it make less than TFA? Yes. But pretty much every sequel makes less than the first in a series. This is not a cause for concern.

Lucasfilm/Disney are probably realizing that yearly releases of movies saturates the market.

There is no such thing as, "diversity for diversity's sake." It is diversity for the sake of those who are not represented, and of the sake of those who need to learn that there are many kinds of people, all valuable. Failing to represent humanity is a failing.

Oh, and by the way, from 2014 to 2018, female-led films outperformed male-led movies at the box office. So, it is at worst diversity for the sake of selling more tickets.

TFA got 2 billion And they made 700 million profit on that.

See how TLJ "only" getting 1.3 billion may be a problem. Solo lost money first time ever for a SW film.

Hopefully Episode IX will be better, JJ Abrams is usually fairly reliable.
 

ccs

41st lv DM
I dont really get their definition of female-led films:

Here is their list in descending order of revenue:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens, - Ok, I can see that. Ensemble cast, but the lead character was female & the story largely hers....

Jurassic World, - I guess you could argue that? Though I'm pretty certain Starlord had the most screen time. Or are they counting Blue, the Indominus, & the kid in addition to whats-her-name?

Star Wars: The Last Jedi, - Well, 1/2 the movie was still all about Rey.

Avengers: Age of Ultron, - What? How? Last time I watched it there were a lot of guys fronting that movie.

Furious 7, - Well, there were more women involved storywise than in Ultron. But I'm pretty sure I saw a action movie led by Vin Diesel, The Rock, & Stathem.

Beauty and the Beast, - Yes, definitely.

The Fate of the Furious, - Refer back to Furious 7. And for good measure fast forward to whatever the next 29 instalments will be....

Captain America: Civil War, - Refer back to Avengers: Age of Ulton....

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, Zootopia, Finding Dory - Ok
 

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Oh, and by the way, from 2014 to 2018, female-led films outperformed male-led movies at the box office. So, it is at worst diversity for the sake of selling more tickets.

Thanks for posting the link. The conventional wisdom I've heard repeated for years is that female-led films do worse in the international market so there's a real financial reason for big budget films to avoid them. This, looking at the global returns, gives evidence that is not the case in today's market.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Thanks for posting the link. The conventional wisdom I've heard repeated for years is that female-led films do worse in the international market so there's a real financial reason for big budget films to avoid them. This, looking at the global returns, gives evidence that is not the case in today's market.

I've seen it argued both ways but I think it varies by year and what the top 10 movies of each year are. The top 10 movie tend to be vastly disproportionate amount of the total revenue.

With Star Wars and some other blockbuster movies though the numbers required to make a profit is insane. For example Solo needed to make around 500 million to break even, TFA made 2 billion but profit was m00 billion. TLJ made 1.3 billion not sure what the profit margin was.

The financials came out covering TLJ era and they were down 200 million from the previous year. Toy sales for Star Wars ere also down but action figures were up. Basically Marvel was selling, Star Wars was in decline.

For Star Wars though male fan base, middle class income (apparently).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hayley...-insights-from-demographic-data/#471672dd344a

Yay I am a stereotype. Not a lawyer though.

Legacy characters and villains are the most popular, Rey not so much, Leia is ranked high though so it doesn't seem to be male vs female. Rey is not very popular, Kylo is the most poplar out of the new characters, Leia is the second most popular overall.

Killing off Luke and Hand and Carrie dying IRL does create problems, all the most popular characters are gone. They can force ghost in Luke though. I probably wouldn't have killed Luke off though, if I did it would have bee in Episode IX.

If you're a hard core Star Wars fan though this probably won't go down to well.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Kat...KHcAyBcEQ9QEwAHoECAEQBA#imgrc=PnwzOMQnRCiMSM:

The force is basically genderless in the old EU. And Rian Johnson called the fans manbabies lol. The fanbase has never really had a problem with females IMHO (see the link above about Leia), the old EU had plenty of strong female characters (the New Republic had back to back female leaders, Mon Mothma then Leia, numerous Sith/Jedi ladies/masters). I think the difference is it has to be organic. Leia was a badass who happened to be female, Rey was depicted as a badass because she was female and was presented as wonder women. Lukes also popular but he was never written as superman and he went from whiney and impulsive to Jedi Knight (and master in the EU). Leia gets wounded badly, Han gets chucked in carbonite, Luke loses a hand and gets his ass handed to him so the OT main characters had a bit of vulnerability and better character building. A lot of that was TLJ fault IMHO as Rian Johnson ignored a lot of plot point seeds in TFA and basically threw out the two people cared about the most (Snooke and Reys parents).

This also feeds back into who is your villain for episode IX. Apparently they are adding a new one because Kylo can't really be it. He has basically lost twice (to Rey/Luke), and has gone back and forth to much so they would need to start episode IX with him kicking kittens or somethings. Luke redeeming Vader meant something along with defeating the Emperor. If Kylo is the villain and he is defeated again it doesn't mean as much- he has already been defeated twice. Vader killed Obi Wan and wrecked Luke. You need a good villain to confront the heroes this is basic storytelling 101. Its not Kylo, probably should have been Snoke that is one of the big problems of TLJ IMHO. Several obvious conclusions to IX.

1. Rey defeats Kylo.
Yawn Kylo is ineffective villain has already been defeated twice. Vader was a badass, Kylo not so much.

2. Rey Redeems Kylo.
Haven't we seen a redemption arc before?

Those are the 2 obvious endings for IX, both of them don't really work that well IMHO. Some less obvious ones.

3. Rey turns to the darkside. I don't really see this happening. I don't see the villains winning which means if Rey goes dark her and Kylo get their comeuppances.

4. Double turn. Kylo is redeemed, Rey turns.
A screwy finish to the trilogy but perhaps the best of the bad options.

Any other finish is going to be even more screwy than the 4th one. If Kylo is the one they needed him to look totally badass in TLJ. Had they trained him more as hinted at in the end of TFA and he picked up or discovered some new power (or even force lightning) it would have been more effective. They have painted themselves into a corner I think as they killed off the legacy characters to early IMHO, and have an ineffective villain and a hero that is not very popular. That is the main problem with TLJ and its not good for episode IX IMHO. And they basically threw Snoke and Phasma away as well. THe link I gave above also shows Kylo is more popular than Rey, Adam Driver kinda stole the spotlight.
 
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Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
You're wrong. I am a hardcore Star Wars fan, and the movies have all gone down pretty well.

I think the problem we are seeing, is fans who take themselves or their fandom a tad too seriously. The need to step back and realize there are new generations of characters and schools of thought emerging.

I loved that they killed Snoke. That was one of my favorite parts of the movie. And not just because of that awesome fight directly after.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
You're wrong. I am a hardcore Star Wars fan, and the movies have all gone down pretty well.

I think the problem we are seeing, is fans who take themselves or their fandom a tad too seriously. The need to step back and realize there are new generations of characters and schools of thought emerging.

I loved that they killed Snoke. That was one of my favorite parts of the movie. And not just because of that awesome fight directly after.


That is fine but financials don't lie. Revenue is down, Solo lost money, toy sales are down.

So somethings gon wrong and TLJ/Solo tend to get the flak for it. TFA and Rogue One largely avoid it and Rebels seems popular so except for the most hard core it doesn't even seem to be Disney vs Non Disney Star War's just mostly 1 movie.

I have a lot of the old EU stuff (except toys). By that comics, books, RPGs, games. New stuff not a sausage although I have seen the movies. Mostly its not because I am boycotting Star Wars its just I don't want to do it all over again (1993-2012 or so).

Its not like the Aftermath Trilogy or the new EA games are actually better than the old Star Wars stuff. Hell I play a mod for a 2005 game Empire at War called Thrawns Revenge.

Just overall I don't think the franchise is in a good spot.
 
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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
That is fine but financials don't lie. Revenue is down, Solo lost money, toy sales are down.

So somethings gon wrong and TLJ/Solo tend to get the flak for it. TFA and Rogue One largely avoid it and Rebels seems popular so except for the most hard core it doesn't even seem to be Disney vs Non Disney Star War's just mostly 1 movie.

I have a lot of the old EU stuff (except toys). By that comics, books, RPGs, games. New stuff not a sausage although I have seen the movies. Mostly its not because I am boycotting Star Wars its just I don't want to do it all over again (1993-2012 or so).

Its not like the Aftermath Trilogy or the new EA games are actually better than the old Star Wars stuff. Hell I play a mod for a 2005 game Empire at War called Thrawns Revenge.

Just overall I don't think the franchise is in a good spot.

Surely you can see how overwhelmingly informed by your own preferences your analysis of the situation is, right?

Solo lost money because of over-saturation, because it's a story few were asking for (even in he context of standalone stories about known characters. People would have been more interested in a Lando lead movie, or another new character like R1), because there was baffling little hype for it, and because of rushed release timing (which Disney copped to). Only die-hard Johnson/Kennedy/TLJ haters are out there blaming TLJ for Solo's performance in any significant numbers. And they're still the minority of the fandom.

All that said, here is what (little) I would have done differently. Well, ignoring the ideas I had that would have done less well showing that Kennedy is better for her job than I'd have been.

1. LTJ would have further developed the relationship between Rey and Fin. I love Rose, and I'd definately keep her in the film, but Rey and Fin were perfect, and I'd have kept moving with that chemistry.

2. The old man in TFA would have been a known character.

3. No "another death star". I'd have had them have to blow up a new droid facility, or something like that. And I'd have given more time to the space battle to get it done.

4. I'd have kept in the deleted scene where Phasma kills her own troops in order to keep the fact that she sold out Starkiller Base from spreading.

5. Give Rey a lightsaber pike.

6. More diversity.

7. No "everyone dies" in Rogue 1. Also no "I'm an assassin for the rebels and have been since I was a child" crap. This is Star Wars. If you want "there are no good guys", go somewhere else.
 

Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
Surely you can see how overwhelmingly informed by your own preferences your analysis of the situation is, right?

Solo lost money because of over-saturation, because it's a story few were asking for (even in he context of standalone stories about known characters. People would have been more interested in a Lando lead movie, or another new character like R1), because there was baffling little hype for it, and because of rushed release timing (which Disney copped to). Only die-hard Johnson/Kennedy/TLJ haters are out there blaming TLJ for Solo's performance in any significant numbers. And they're still the minority of the fandom.

All that said, here is what (little) I would have done differently. Well, ignoring the ideas I had that would have done less well showing that Kennedy is better for her job than I'd have been.

1. LTJ would have further developed the relationship between Rey and Fin. I love Rose, and I'd definately keep her in the film, but Rey and Fin were perfect, and I'd have kept moving with that chemistry.

2. The old man in TFA would have been a known character.

3. No "another death star". I'd have had them have to blow up a new droid facility, or something like that. And I'd have given more time to the space battle to get it done.

4. I'd have kept in the deleted scene where Phasma kills her own troops in order to keep the fact that she sold out Starkiller Base from spreading.

5. Give Rey a lightsaber pike.

6. More diversity.

7. No "everyone dies" in Rogue 1. Also no "I'm an assassin for the rebels and have been since I was a child" crap. This is Star Wars. If you want "there are no good guys", go somewhere else.


I like a lot of this, but I dislike Rogue 1, becoming something other than a gritty, the world is Grey, war story. That was a departure from the usual Star Wars camp that I really enjoyed, and I felt, helps the movie stand up well.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I like a lot of this, but I dislike Rogue 1, becoming something other than a gritty, the world is Grey, war story. That was a departure from the usual Star Wars camp that I really enjoyed, and I felt, helps the movie stand up well.

I'll make no argument about whether it was a good movie.

IMVSO, Rogue One isn't Star Wars. The Rebel Alliance does not employ assassins or child soldiers. Period.
 

ccs

41st lv DM
You're wrong. I am a hardcore Star Wars fan, and the movies have all gone down pretty well.

Well I'm a hardcore SW fan as well. And I think the movies have gone downhill.
ANH/ESB/RotJ > Episodes I-III > TFA/TLJ/Solo
R1 is the outlier in this pattern as I'd put it about 1/2way between the RotJ & Episode I.
And given the poor foundation Episode IX is built on I'm almost afraid to watch it.....
 


Zardnaar

Legend
I'll make no argument about whether it was a good movie.

IMVSO, Rogue One isn't Star Wars. The Rebel Alliance does not employ assassins or child soldiers. Period.

Luke was basically an assassin. Palpatine while evil was basically a political assassination. A million people on the Death Star died, they would have families and even if they did not agree with everything the Empire was doing well Luke just killed their family.

Also in both the old legends material and new canon the Rebels did resort to morally dubious things for the "greater good". Watch The Clone Wars cartoon.

In the old legends material the New Republic basically fails again while the Empire reforms into a more or less benign military (NJO) then monarchy reign with Imperial Knights as a light side force tradition. Generally on old Legends message boards people end up preferring the Empire over the New Republic. Once the Sith influence is gone and a generation or so passes.

Its also why Rogue One is probably so good it gets away from the Skywalker family drama (we had 25 years of the old EU for that as well), gets away from a rehash of ANH and recylced 90's metaplot that infested TFA. I enjoyed TFA but not only is ot low on originality compared with ANH its basically recycles the old here is a new Darksider with bigger and better super weapons bwa ha ha. Its essentially the plot line of a huge amount of EU stories circa 1991 (Dark Empire) through to 1998 or so.

A question for the fans of TLJ or the new triliogy. Do you really want to go to episode IX and see Rey just steam roll everyone again and if so mind me asking whats the point? Jynn Erso had a better backstory, arguably more character development, suffered a bit with losing her dad and then made the ultimate sacrifice. She is a great character IMHO and they had a diverse and interesting cast. That is how you do it regardless of anything else IMHO at the end of the day you need to care about the characters in Star Wars. Hux and Kylo are arguably the most interesting ones left.

If Phasma killing her own troops was a deleted scene they should have kept it. That would have made her a great villain rather than the clown she came across as.
 
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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I can’t imagine disagreeing with a post more than I disagree with that post, Zardnaar.

I’m just gonna now out. We’ve all had this argument before.
 

Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
3. No "another death star". I'd have had them have to blow up a new droid facility, or something like that.
Establish that Imperial Star Destroyers are still the biggest most powerful ships around. The new big threat is a shipyard (which is not spherical) for an updated Super Star Destroyer. There is a keel laid, and lots of (plunderable?) ship components in and around the dock when the Heroes arrive.

6. More diversity.
Diversity for the sake of being diverse shows more 'tripping over own shoelaces' than 'creating better stories' or 'generating higher ticket sales'. Maybe Disney needs to find somebody who can write a compelling story first and then bring in a wide spectrum of actors / actresses to play the parts.
In contrast, the Jedi Council in Phantom Menace was diverse without saying anything about it. Mace Windu was the greatest Jedi combat master, his physical characteristics did not matter to that. The Council was all different aliens, the 'baseline unit' of diversity that would be recognizable in-universe. And it worked.
 

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