Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[Belen]

Doesn’t follow. I liked Rebels but thought Ahsoka was terrible. More happens in one episode of Rebels than an entire season of Ahsoka.

Thank you!

 

[Micah Sweet]

Wow, I’m the complete opposite here. World building and character development are important, but unless the are in service to a good story, what’s the point? Tell me a good story, and I’ll overlook some world building flaws. Build a world without a good story, and I’ll wonder what the point was.

Note that I think character development is actually an important part of a good story. Not always critical, but always nice. World building is a distant third (as long as the setting is self-consistent enough to support the story).

A novel with a cool story and an interesting setting is better than a story alone. But one with a cool setting and no/weak story is basically an atlas. Could be interesting, but generally not what I’m looking for from books/movies/shows.

Yeah, a lot of people agree with you on this. I don't. Setting is to me the most important thing, followed (close behind) by character and plot. I can't get into a story if the setting is sketchy or makes no logical sense.

And I love atlases. Encyclopedias too.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

If enough people agreed with Paul show would still be going

I’m used to people not agreeing with my taste. If they did Babylon 5 would still be running!

(And all reality TV would be banned).

 

[ART!]

Honestly I'd rather have another season of The Acolyte than Ahsoka - unless the next season of Ahsoka has lots more Hayden and Arianna Greenblatt, and/or they let Rosario Dawson be something other than stoic.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Miscommunication is the number one cause of real world foul ups, and these guys were trained as monks, not soldiers or cops.

There is a whole thing in the High Republic novels were a Jedi-fan chancellor has greatly expanded the remit of the Jedi leading up to this period.

No ,they were trained as Jedi, who act as investigators, warriors, philosophers and apparently even researchers (which is what they were doing on the planet).

I think you’ve got a point here. The OT was fairly unsubtle and iconic… and not that deep. That becomes pretty evident when you push even remotely hard at the moral implications of the Jedi Order and its methods.

What are you going to push hard on? We know practically nothing about the Jedi Order in the OT! Basically Obi Wan, Yoda and Anakin (aka Darth Vader) are the only Jedi we know about ,and by the time we meet them, there is no Jedi Order and they are in hiding, so we can't really infer much from their actions about the Jedi Order.
Stuff like "taking people at young age" or "commanding clones bred purely for war" into battle isn't stuff we know about. (We know there were "Clone Wars", but what that entailed and how the Jedi played into it we had no clue. In fact, before the prequels, EU writers wrote stories about clones going mad for some reason, possibly the reason for the war, including the Jedi clones.)

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Honestly I'd rather have another season of The Acolyte than Ahsoka - unless the next season of Ahsoka has lots more Hayden and Arianna Greenblatt, and/or they let Rosario Dawson be something other than stoic.

They should use Ahsoka as a background mentor type character, like Yoda or Elminster.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

No ,they were trained as Jedi, who act as investigators, warriors, philosophers and apparently even researchers (which is what they were doing on the planet)

The Jedi are monks, selected as small children for there attunement to a mysterious energy field, not intelligence or wisdom.

And, given that they are indoctrinated into a particular belief system, it’s inevitable that they are going to have problems dealing with people who have different beliefs.

 

[billd91]

What are you going to push hard on? We know practically nothing about the Jedi Order in the OT! Basically Obi Wan, Yoda and Anakin (aka Darth Vader) are the only Jedi we know about ,and by the time we meet them, there is no Jedi Order and they are in hiding, so we can't really infer much from their actions about the Jedi Order.
Stuff like "taking people at young age" or "commanding clones bred purely for war" into battle isn't stuff we know about. (We know there were "Clone Wars", but what that entailed and how the Jedi played into it we had no clue. In fact, before the prequels, EU writers wrote stories about clones going mad for some reason, possibly the reason for the war, including the Jedi clones.)

We knew that they were more long game thinkers who disapproved of Luke going to rescue his friends in the short term. We knew that Obi-Wan was willing to distort the truth and then rationalize it poorly rather than level with Luke. So, yeah, there are questions about just how upstanding they are.
The prequel trilogy, where Lucas develops things a lot more, really exposes that he doesn’t think a lot of the implications through. That’s where they really start circling the drain.

 

[Scribe]

We knew that they were more long game thinkers who disapproved of Luke going to rescue his friends in the short term. We knew that Obi-Wan was willing to distort the truth and then rationalize it poorly rather than level with Luke. So, yeah, there are questions about just how upstanding they are.

I mean lets be fair here. We have the view of 2 old guys, who have really seen some naughty word go down within their group and were pretty central to those events.

The prequel trilogy, where Lucas develops things a lot more, really exposes that he doesn’t think a lot of the implications through. That’s where they really start circling the drain.

This I agree with completely however.

 

[Zardnaar]

No ,they were trained as Jedi, who act as investigators, warriors, philosophers and apparently even researchers (which is what they were doing on the planet).



What are you going to push hard on? We know practically nothing about the Jedi Order in the OT! Basically Obi Wan, Yoda and Anakin (aka Darth Vader) are the only Jedi we know about ,and by the time we meet them, there is no Jedi Order and they are in hiding, so we can't really infer much from their actions about the Jedi Order.
Stuff like "taking people at young age" or "commanding clones bred purely for war" into battle isn't stuff we know about. (We know there were "Clone Wars", but what that entailed and how the Jedi played into it we had no clue. In fact, before the prequels, EU writers wrote stories about clones going mad for some reason, possibly the reason for the war, including the Jedi clones.)

Yup Zahn used some D6 RPG materials and a bit of knowledge about the canceled Kenner toy line iirc when he wrote Heir to the Empire.