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Stargate and Battlestar

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Outside of a few sparse watchings of the first season I've missed all of the miniseries, and most of the development in the first season.. all in all what happened? and I'm especially left wondering why Starbuck is trying to retrieve an arrow??!! Seems very DnD to me.

What is the basic idea of the ancients in Stargate? I am a little lost after watching the first episode the other nights.

Basically, I'm trying to get back into watching shows that I hear are good after a long drought. any help would be great.
 

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Hoo boy, this is gonna take a while. I'm sure someone will beat me to the punch. ;) Spoilers ahoy!

Battlestar Galactica

It's been years, maybe decades since the last Cylon war. Humanity has expanded from the aftermath, with their twelve colonies flourishing... for the most part. New technology has helped, but social unrest still exists in a few places. The memory of the Cylon wars is starting to fade, and humans are using networked computers again. Networked AIs were part of the reason the Cylons rose and rebelled in the first place. In fact, some of the Battlestars, massive battleships from the last Cylon war, are being decommissioned in favor of newer models.

As the Galactica is entering orbit of the colony Caprica, for a de-commissioning ceremony, a Cylon with human appearance manages to use stolen security codes to disable the defenses of all twelve colonies at once. The Cylon was called Six, and it stole the codes by manipulating noted scientist Gaius Baltar. With the defenses down, the Cylons jump in and begin deploying nuclear weapons on the colonies.

In addition, they are able to infect the more modern computer systems on the colonies and ships with a virus that renders them defenseless. All of the ships are destroyed... with the exception of the Battlestar Galactica. It was one of the oldest of its kind, and had a stubborn commander who refused to allow networked computers on his ship. Commander Adama was a veteran of the last Cylon War, and remembers all too well what networks led to.

The Galactica gathers up a few civilian ships, defending them from attackers with its own Viper fighters (also using older computers), and the makeshift fleet manages to escape... after picking up survivors from Caprica, including Dr. Gaius Baltar. However, a few of the Galactica's own personnel are left behind.

Since then, the Galactica's fleet has been on the run. The President of the Colonies has died, and so have everyone right down the chain of government... until we get to the Secretary of Education. She is sworn in as President, albeit reluctantly. She agrees with Commander Adama to share command of the fleet: he makes military decisions, she makes governmental and societal ones.

In the meantime, one of the men left behind encountered someone he thought was a servicemate from Galactica, Boomer. Only, we know she's still on Galactica. Turns out, she is one of many duplicate Cylons. Her model is deeply involved in the Cylon plot.

We learn that the President was diagnosed with cancer just before the Cylon attack. She has about six months to live, and decides to try a "non-traditional" medicine to treat it, rather than show weakness in front of the survivors. This medicine begins causing her to have visions... or hallucinations, depending on who you speak to.

That's when we learn of the prophecy. As part of their beliefs, these humans think there is a lost thirteenth colony called Earth. Adama pledges to take the fleet to Earth, though he doesn't believe it exists. The President knows he was lying... but she lets the deception go on to give people hope. Only... the Prophecy speaks of the last leader of humanity. She was to lead them, even though she was dying, first to the ancient home of humanity: Kobol. Then, to Earth. And so far, the President and the events of what's going on fit the prophecy.

And the Cylons not only know of the Prophecy. They claim to be fulfilling it, with more understanding than the humans have. They're manipulating Baltar through his fear of being discovered... or maybe he's just crazy, and imagining Six is real. Boomer on Caprica managed to get pregnant and convince the man she's with to love her, while Boomer on Galactica has been... erratic.

The Galactica eventually found a planet with ancient human ruins. Ruins that seem to indicate that it is Kobol. The President, knowing that Starbuck is a believer in the faith, convinces her to violate orders. There is an arrow in a museum on Caprica which, according to legend and the Prophecy, can be used on Kobol to show the way to Earth. The President asks Starbuck to retrieve it, and Starbuck uses the captured Cylon raider to jump to Caprica. She finds the Arrow, but also runs into a Six-Cylon and nearly gets killed. Then she finds our two survivors, realizes that Boomer is a Cylon and tries to kill her.

A group of Galactica scientists and soldiers, sent to investigate the ruins on Kobol, are shot down and crash. Baltar is with them, and while on the planet he has visions, apparently of a child that he and the Six-Cylon are going to be parents of.

So far, the Cylon plan is not fully understood, but they seem to be trying not only to concieve children with humans, but to convince humans to love them. And they are convinced that, in the end, the Cylons will destroy humanity...
 

Stargate

The Ancients are the original race that humanity evolved from. They are our true ancestors, and arose in the Pegasus galaxy. The Ancients grew, evolved, and learned how to Ascend to a higher state of being. They spread their descendants, humanity, throughout the Pegasus galaxy and, eventually, to Earth.

However, they met their match in the Wraith, an accidental creation of their own. They allowed humans to settle a world without fully understanding it. An insect-like species on the planet fed on the humans, mixed DNA, and became the Wraith. These Wraith then used their own organic technology and stolen Ancient technology to conquer the Pegasus galaxy. In desperation, the Ancients sunk Atlantis beneath the waves on their planet and gated back to Earth. Those who were left either Ascended, went to other worlds through Stargates, or had children on Earth and eventually died.

Some humans still have Ancient DNA, and can access the Ancient's technology with it. Most do not. And, eventually, a Goa'uld named Ra found Earth...
 

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Battlestar Galactica:

The deal with the arrow is that the President has been, depending on your view of things, either going nuts or guided by a higher power. As the first season progressed, she started having visions and dreams that eventually convinced her that she is some sort of prophet being guided by "the Gods". She was aided in coming to this conclusion by the priestess who was with her on Colonial One (the one who presided over the memorial service at the end of the miniseries). This may be true, it may be true that she is being influenced by the cylons and it may be true that the medication she has been taking for the cancer has been causing hallucinations. In any case, she's been pretty circumspect about her beliefs. She has not really let this out of the bag to too many people.

In any case, they eventually find Kobol. The president became convinced that she is some sort of prophet and could lead the colonists to Earth if she had the Arrow of Athena. There is a minor complication -- it's in a museum on Cylon-occupied Caprica. Adama and Tigh refuse to send anyone back to retrieve it so she brings Starbuck into her confidence and appeals to her to go get it using a captured cylon ship. Starbuck has shown signs of being a person of faith under her tough exterior. She is convinced and agrees to go. During a test flight of the Clyon ship before a mission where it is to be used to take out a Cylon Basestar, she instead takes off for Caprica. While there, she encounters "Six" just as she recovers the arrow and a fight ensues. Helo shows up during the fight and Six is defeated. Starbuck also discovers that Boomer is a cylon. That's where the season ended for her.

During all this, Baltar, Tyrol, Cally and some NPCs( :) ) are part of a survey mission to Kobol. They are intercepted and shot down. After a crash landing, they assess their sutation while Baltar has another hallucination/message from the cylon implant (take your pick). Six was showing him a baby in a cradle and talking about it being the future and all that stuff. This is where the season ends for them.

On the Galactica, Adama was very angry about Starbuck taking off with the ship and finds out the President is behind it. He basically decides to terminate her presidency and assume military command of the government. She refuses and Adama sends Tigh and Apollo with some marines to arrest her. Apollo turns on Tigh in the middle of a standoff and is arrested along with the President. She is taken to the brig on Galactica while Apollo is brough to the bridge to face his father. Meanwhile, Boomer and her copilot have been sent to destroy the raider using a mcguffin I don't recall (Cylon IFF as I recall). She lands on the basestar and plants a nuke. She also confronts several of her own clones and has a converstation with them and then returns to Galactica knowing she is a cylon. The nuke goes off, the basestar is destroyed and Boomer gets a heroes welcome. She is taken to the bridge to get congratulations from Adama but as he is standing in front of her, she draws her pistol and puts two slugs in his chest instead. Chaos erupts. This is where the season ends.

Season two picks up from there.

If nobody does Stargate, I'll pick up later.
 

Kesh said:
Stargate

The Ancients are the original race that humanity evolved from. They are our true ancestors, and arose in the Pegasus galaxy. The Ancients grew, evolved, and learned how to Ascend to a higher state of being. They spread their descendants, humanity, throughout the Pegasus galaxy and, eventually, to Earth.

However, they met their match in the Wraith, an accidental creation of their own. They allowed humans to settle a world without fully understanding it. An insect-like species on the planet fed on the humans, mixed DNA, and became the Wraith. These Wraith then used their own organic technology and stolen Ancient technology to conquer the Pegasus galaxy. In desperation, the Ancients sunk Atlantis beneath the waves on their planet and gated back to Earth. Those who were left either Ascended, went to other worlds through Stargates, or had children on Earth and eventually died.

Some humans still have Ancient DNA, and can access the Ancient's technology with it. Most do not. And, eventually, a Goa'uld named Ra found Earth...

Ahhhh, no.

Ancients originally evolved (on earth? not sure on this) millions of years ago. The ancients are extremely evolved humans. Far superior physically and mentally, and possess some degree of psionic powers as well (mostly healing related I think). They have extremely advanced technology, colonized and built the entire star gate system over the milky way.

Then something happened, a plaque struck them, and this plaque nearly wiped out all life in the Milky Way galaxy. And many ancients died because of it. The ancients fought a slow but losing war against the plaque. It is because of the plaque the ancients did many things that they did. Ie, going to the Pegasus galaxy and seeding humans, research on ascension, creating the "Life maker/destroy device" etc etc. Eventually, the ancients learnt how to ascend to being of pure energy (which effectively eliminated the plaque, and the physical body). The humans evolved on earth, in the foot step of the ancients. (which is probably not accidental, but one of the previous effort by the ancients to preserve their race).

Then, on another planet, a race of parasitic being called ghould evolved. A ghould named Ra came to earth, and found humans far better hosts than the big Unas that served as pervious hosts (which really made no sense, considering Unis is far superior physically compared to a human, one theory is that since ghould also inherited some of the more primitive instincts and emotions of the host, humans are simply more fun to live in). Other ghould followed Ra’s step, and became gods of the ancient world thanks to their technology.

In the Pegasus galaxy, the seeding process is going well, until a particular group of humans somehow had their DNA combined with life sucking, extremely tough bug like creatures. Those humans became the wraith, and the wraith apparently can only survive feeding on humans, other wraith, and ancients. The wraith evolved very fast technological and biologically, and within couple thousand years vastly outnumbered their progenitor, the ancients. The wraith fought a big war with the ancients over the control of the humans in the Pegasus galaxy. Even though ancients are far superior technologically, wraith simply outnumbered ancients like 1 million to one (there were a galaxy full of wraith, and one city of ancients) They fought to a stand still until ancients finally got tired and just simply went back to earth. Unfortunately for the wraith, the big war near exhausted all their food supply (the humans) in the Pegasus galaxy, and needless to say wraith population suffered a massive decrease shortly after the war due to food shortage, and the wraith had to go into hibernation to survive.
 

Ei said:
(which really made no sense, considering Unis is far superior physically compared to a human, one theory is that since ghould also inherited some of the more primitive instincts and emotions of the host, humans are simply more fun to live in).

I believe the best answer is "the Unas don't live as long." You have to pull back to the movie, but the reason Humans were taken up as hosts really is that they're biologically just easier for Goa'uld to work with.

And that whole "sharing the form of the folk who built the gates" thing can't hurt.
 

I'm fairly certain that the Ancients themselves stated that they were the progenitor race for humanity, and that they originated in Pegasus. The plague sounds vaguely familiar, but I thought that was after the Wraith drove the Ancients out of Pegasus.
 

Kesh said:
I'm fairly certain that the Ancients themselves stated that they were the progenitor race for humanity, and that they originated in Pegasus. The plague sounds vaguely familiar, but I thought that was after the Wraith drove the Ancients out of Pegasus.

you got it part right. The Ancients did create humanity, but they did not orginate from pegasus galaxy. Although never explicitly stated, so far the evidence presented in SG-1 and Atlantis suggests that the ancients evolved on earth, millions and millions of years ago. A group of ancients left earth and went to Pegasus galaxy to spread life.

And one ofthe reasons ancients went to pegasus is due to the plaque. I guess they wanted a fresh start in a barren galaxy.
 

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