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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6310627" data-attributes="member: 2525">I didn't say it did come with an adventure.&nbsp; All I said is the Basic set is aimed at experienced RPGers while the Start set is not.&nbsp; What's not entirely true about that?I never said you couldn't order it as an experienced RPGer (I ordered it, with the intent to give it as a gift to a newbie), I said it's not aimed at you.&nbsp; And it's not.&nbsp; That's not the stated intent behind this set.&nbsp; It's a map for the DM.&nbsp; The entire Starter set is aimed at the DM, not the players. That's the difference.&nbsp; And I explained earlier why going gridless is better for the Starter set, as otherwise it fails to emphasize the difference between an RPG and a board game.&nbsp; In my opinion, it's not that they couldn't include a map and tokens for use with players, it's that including them degrades the impression they're trying to make with the Starter set aimed at new players - that an RPG is distinct from a board game.&nbsp; Once people know what an RPG really is, then they can choose to use maps and miniatures or not.&nbsp; But I think the initial impression for a boxed set like this works best without them.I don't know why this isn't sticking, but IT'S NOT A BEGINNER BOX SET.&nbsp; It's not intended to compete with the Paizo beginner boxed set, because it's not a beginner boxed set.&nbsp; The Starter Set is aimed at new RPG players, not existing players.&nbsp; The Basic game is aimed at existing players, and THAT is what competes with the Paizo Beginner boxed set.&nbsp; And at the high price of &quot;free&quot; I think it will do that just fine, particularly given the vast number of posts I've seen from Pathfinder fans who said, &quot;Well, at free, I will at least check it out&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6310627, member: 2525"] I didn't say it did come with an adventure. All I said is the Basic set is aimed at experienced RPGers while the Start set is not. What's not entirely true about that? I never said you couldn't order it as an experienced RPGer (I ordered it, with the intent to give it as a gift to a newbie), I said it's not aimed at you. And it's not. That's not the stated intent behind this set. It's a map for the DM. The entire Starter set is aimed at the DM, not the players. That's the difference. And I explained earlier why going gridless is better for the Starter set, as otherwise it fails to emphasize the difference between an RPG and a board game. In my opinion, it's not that they couldn't include a map and tokens for use with players, it's that including them degrades the impression they're trying to make with the Starter set aimed at new players - that an RPG is distinct from a board game. Once people know what an RPG really is, then they can choose to use maps and miniatures or not. But I think the initial impression for a boxed set like this works best without them. I don't know why this isn't sticking, but[B] IT'S NOT A BEGINNER BOX SET[/B]. It's not intended to compete with the Paizo beginner boxed set, because it's not a beginner boxed set. The Starter Set is aimed at new RPG players, not existing players. The Basic game is aimed at existing players, and THAT is what competes with the Paizo Beginner boxed set. And at the high price of "free" I think it will do that just fine, particularly given the vast number of posts I've seen from Pathfinder fans who said, "Well, at free, I will at least check it out". [/QUOTE]

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