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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8320197" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Much as with some other class concepts, 5e decided that wasn't important enough to merit its own class, so they split it up between several subclasses. (EK, Valor/Swords, Hexblade, War/Bladesinger, etc.) But since it's something plenty of people want, it's often gonna get people who try to make it happen.Like this!This is exactly the problem I have when people tell me that the class list is &quot;bloated&quot; as it is, that we need fewer classes. There are already existing concepts that, while theoretically doable, are rather unsatisfying unless you pull some Shenanigans to make it happen. And then the very same DMs that want class reductionism will be right there, saying how dumb it is that people do weird MC combos or layering feats or whatever.It's a rather deeply frustrating Catch-22. You aren't allowed to have a thing that directly gives you the fun you're looking for because that would be wasteful or bloated, and you aren't allowed to piecemeal together the thing you want because that would be munchkining or nonsensical.And people wonder why I feel like these arguments are so hostile to the people who just want their cool thing!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8320197, member: 6790260"] Much as with some other class concepts, 5e decided that wasn't important enough to merit its own class, so they split it up between several subclasses. (EK, Valor/Swords, Hexblade, War/Bladesinger, etc.) But since it's something plenty of people [I]want[/I], it's often gonna get people who try to make it happen. Like this! This is exactly the problem I have when people tell me that the class list is "bloated" as it is, that we need fewer classes. There are [I]already[/I] existing concepts that, while theoretically doable, are rather unsatisfying unless you pull some Shenanigans to make it happen. And then the very same DMs that want class reductionism will be right there, saying how dumb it is that people do weird MC combos or layering feats or whatever. It's a rather deeply frustrating Catch-22. You aren't allowed to have a thing that directly gives you the fun you're looking for because that would be [I]wasteful[/I] or [I]bloated[/I], and you aren't allowed to piecemeal together the thing you want because that would be [I]munchkining[/I] or [I]nonsensical.[/I] And people wonder why I feel like these arguments are so hostile to the people who just want their cool thing! [/QUOTE]

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