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<blockquote data-quote="The Grackle" data-source="post: 4287712" data-attributes="member: 23976">It also says under Passive Checks (page 179):&quot;When you’re not actively using a skill, you’re assumed to be taking 10 for any opposed checks using that skill. Passive checks are most commonly used for Perception checks and Insight checks...&quot;So you are making an opposed check, but it assumes you're taking 10 for your roll (effectively setting a DC of skill+10) if you aren't actively looking.&nbsp; It also says taking 10 happens outside of an encounter, so there's some confusion there, but:on Page 186, it says the DM usually uses the PCs passive perception check, an active check requires a standard action.on Page 262, it says to use your passive perception checkand on Page 281, it says invisible creatures use their stealth vs your passive perception, and you can use a minor action to make an active perception check.so, passive checks are clearly used in combat encounters.***From this, I think that the term Opposed Roll/Opposed Check includes both parties rolling, or one party rolling and one party taking 10 or using a passive skill, or possibly both using passive skill checks.&nbsp; It's still &quot;opposed&quot; in that a failure for the active stealther means a success for the passive perceiver, not b/c it requires dice rolls from everyone.&nbsp; You don't need a hundred roll-offs if a rogue hides behind a bush from a squadron of passing orcs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Grackle, post: 4287712, member: 23976"] It also says under Passive Checks (page 179): "When you’re not actively using a skill, you’re assumed to be taking 10 for any opposed checks using that skill. Passive checks are most commonly used for Perception checks and Insight checks..." So you are making an opposed check, but it assumes you're taking 10 for your roll (effectively setting a DC of skill+10) if you aren't actively looking. It also says taking 10 happens outside of an encounter, so there's some confusion there, but: on Page 186, it says the DM usually uses the PCs passive perception check, an active check requires a standard action. on Page 262, it says to use your passive perception check and on Page 281, it says invisible creatures use their stealth vs your passive perception, and you can use a minor action to make an active perception check. so, passive checks are clearly used in combat encounters. *** From this, I think that the term Opposed Roll/Opposed Check includes both parties rolling, or one party rolling and one party taking 10 or using a passive skill, or possibly both using passive skill checks. It's still "opposed" in that a failure for the active stealther means a success for the passive perceiver, not b/c it requires dice rolls from everyone. You don't need a hundred roll-offs if a rogue hides behind a bush from a squadron of passing orcs. [/QUOTE]

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