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<blockquote data-quote="Eldorian" data-source="post: 4288768" data-attributes="member: 10504">I think the case can easily be made that the only perception rolls required in combat are those made with actions on the part of the perceiver.&nbsp; In this case, minor actions, an exception to the normal rule of perception based on the combat chapter.&nbsp; Yes, every character who is in cover or concealment can make a stealth check every round, but unless they're actually good at it, they're gonna have a hard time beating the passive perception of the enemies.&nbsp; It makes sense, anyways.&nbsp; If you're fighting with concealment or cover, you of course try to avoid enemy notice.&nbsp; Just ask any real life soldier.Also, I think you're being pedantic if you don't allow a character to use a move action to make a stealth check while he's in cover/concealment.&nbsp; Moving within one's own square (hiding in your cover) is a move action you can make stealthily in my book.&nbsp; He doesn't need to stand up sit down fight fight fight! in whichever order you think he's required.&nbsp; Hell, if you insist... he could mouth something (a free action) stealthily.I swear, sometimes discussing game mechanics on this board is like talking to cylons.&nbsp; One of these days I'm gonna weed em out by tossing out a logic bomb.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Eldorian, post: 4288768, member: 10504"] I think the case can easily be made that the only perception rolls required in combat are those made with actions on the part of the perceiver. In this case, minor actions, an exception to the normal rule of perception based on the combat chapter. Yes, every character who is in cover or concealment can make a stealth check every round, but unless they're actually good at it, they're gonna have a hard time beating the passive perception of the enemies. It makes sense, anyways. If you're fighting with concealment or cover, you of course try to avoid enemy notice. Just ask any real life soldier. Also, I think you're being pedantic if you don't allow a character to use a move action to make a stealth check while he's in cover/concealment. Moving within one's own square (hiding in your cover) is a move action you can make stealthily in my book. He doesn't need to stand up sit down fight fight fight! in whichever order you think he's required. Hell, if you insist... he could mouth something (a free action) stealthily. I swear, sometimes discussing game mechanics on this board is like talking to cylons. One of these days I'm gonna weed em out by tossing out a logic bomb. [/QUOTE]

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