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<blockquote data-quote="Xorn" data-source="post: 4289582" data-attributes="member: 61231">Well if anything, I'm going to take credit for generating enough discussion on this to make sure every DM to read this thread now understands all the sides of the debate and knows where they stand on the discussion.&nbsp; I think we've hit pretty much every talking point that exists on this matter, and this last CSR response contradicts previous CSRs as well.&nbsp; (Stating you can't stealth an attack action, while others specifically state you can.)&nbsp; The CSR stating you have to move to another square of cover/concealment is at best errata, because the PHB makes absolutely no mention of this.We do know that RAI (rules as intended) have been unanimous from CSRs--you can Stealth during combat to gain Combat Advantage, so I'm comfortable is saying that much of it is correct.&nbsp; It's after they say that, when I replied, &quot;So, you're saying you want it to be that easy for a rogue to sneak attack from cover?&quot;As I have an almost OCD-ish desire to run the game as intended, I still have this hangup with waving my hand and highlighting &quot;avoids notice&quot; in my PHB and making that the rule.&nbsp; Even if I just have them rolling against passive perception (removing the number of die rolls), the effort required to achieve combat advantage with Stealth in combat (by a trained person) will be absurdly easy.Here's another headache I hadn't considered until now:&nbsp; If a kobold slinger hides behind cover, and one of the characters doesn't see him (the rest do) then do I tell that person, you have to guess what square the slinger is in, because you can't see him there behind the coffins.Playtest your Stealth rules, Wizards.Man I would love for one of the R&amp;D guys to pop in and say something, but I imagine they're working on some real errata.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xorn, post: 4289582, member: 61231"] Well if anything, I'm going to take credit for generating enough discussion on this to make sure every DM to read this thread now understands all the sides of the debate and knows where [i]they[/i] stand on the discussion. I think we've hit pretty much every talking point that exists on this matter, and this last CSR response contradicts previous CSRs as well. (Stating you can't stealth an attack action, while others specifically state you can.) The CSR stating you have to move to another square of cover/concealment is at best errata, because the PHB makes absolutely no mention of this. We do know that RAI (rules as intended) have been unanimous from CSRs--you can Stealth during combat to gain Combat Advantage, so I'm comfortable is saying that much of it is correct. It's after they say that, when I replied, "So, you're saying you [i]want[/i] it to be that easy for a rogue to sneak attack from cover?" As I have an almost OCD-ish desire to run the game as intended, I still have this hangup with waving my hand and highlighting "avoids notice" in my PHB and making that the rule. Even if I just have them rolling against passive perception (removing the number of die rolls), the effort required to achieve combat advantage with Stealth in combat (by a trained person) will be absurdly easy. Here's another headache I hadn't considered until now: If a kobold slinger hides behind cover, and one of the characters doesn't see him (the rest do) then do I tell that person, you have to guess what square the slinger is in, because you can't see him there behind the coffins. Playtest your Stealth rules, Wizards. Man I would love for one of the R&D guys to pop in and say something, but I imagine they're working on some real errata. [/QUOTE]

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