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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ozziewolf" data-source="post: 4291688" data-attributes="member: 64443">I was actually done posting in this thread but since I'm being called out...You could also be less of a jerk and just ask if I didn't see it.  Focus less on personal attacks and more on logic and the matter at hand. I was posting at work at the time and actually over looked that part of the post, thanks for pointing it out though even thought it doesn't help your case at all as I will demonstrate below.  Logically intentionally skipping the parts of posts I didn't like would be a major tactical error as I would surely be called out on it.  (As your post as demonstrated.)  If I was really focused on "winning at the internets" I would have made sure and read everything carefully instead of missing something you said by accident.Here is the quote in question in case any one else missed it.Shadow Walk doesn't apply to what we're discussing so skipping that.If you're referring to the part about you must have cover when you attempt to move... that is extremely easy to do every single round since when firing at range you ignore adjacent cover.  So technically you could just not move at all and use your move action to just make stealth checks from your current position with out moving.If you're going to get snarky with me for not responding to something I didn't see at least make sure it's relevant to your case.  That's not even getting in to the fact that doing it that way isn't RAW it's just an interpretation of how you could do it.  You do it as part of the move action no where does it state at what point during that action you have to have cover to get stealth.So it's possible to deft strike out of cover sneak attack and then use your move action to get back into cover.It's also possible to attack around a corner and then use your move action to stay hidden where you. Since you don't actually need to leave cover to get the attack.Unless you can show me what page of the rule books says you have to be in cover at the start of the action to use the stealth check versus at the end of the action.It's not about winning it's just about you being wrong and making comparisons or giving examples that are either completely made up or don't help your case.  I've accepted that people can try to hide every round as long as they have cover per the rules as written and clarification through correspondence with WoTC.  I admit I was wrong in my interpretation of the rules as written on that matter.  Before I thought people where actually misreading the rules.However you're trying to justify it by saying it's only possible to stealth every other round and I've proven time and again that just isn't the case.  This isn't a case of misinterpreting the rules in this situation as it was with making the stealth check.  It flat out doesn't say that you have to have cover at the start of your movement to make a stealth check.  It states you have to have cover to make a stealth check.  The rules are written as such that unless it specifically says otherwise then that is how it works.  So as long as you have cover as part of that move action you can make a stealth check.   This would include both at the start of the move or the end because otherwise it would specifically state that it had to be at the start of your turn.The rule books are written as exception based rules.  They're ruled exactly how they're written unless the rules specifically states an exception.  No where in the book does it say anything about how you're trying to rule it.  There for it isn't how it works.For now I'm done replying to this thread until some one can show me something in the rule books that actually counters my statement.  I highly doubt that will happen.  With my familiarity of the rules and having double checked just to be sure I wasn't saying anything that wasn't true as I'm sure if I did I would be called out on it. (Rightfully so if I'm stating misinformation.)Edit: To clarify I'm not saying what you linked isn't a good idea.  It's just that right now we're discussing the rules as written.  There are a few ways this could be house ruled but that only addresses the issue on a personal level as opposed to game wide.Second edit, oh my!: I realized I didn't address the actual skill use of bluff. This just says you create a diversion to hide.  So if you succeed you can hide in place because they've suddenly become distracted and are no longer looking at you.   This would seemingly give you combat advantage until the end of your turn.  It would be a useful way to gain combat advantage at range in a situation where you couldn't find any cover at all.  I can see why you would want to rule it the way you did and for what it's worth it's not a bad idea.</blockquote>

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