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<blockquote data-quote="Volabit" data-source="post: 4293744" data-attributes="member: 68649">The only difference between invis and stealth is that you DON'T need Cover or Concealment to be invis and stealth-hidden you do. Even the rules on Invis say you have to make a stealth check. Stealth vs Perception isn't just seeing someone, its hearing, noticing footprints, blades of grass moving, dust stiring up. Both invis and hidden use the same stealth check, but invis doesn't require C/C and has a higher DC mod to actually find.So invis says you automaticly gain CA. And under the CA listing in the book (pg 280) it lists a table of what gives people CA, a lot of stuff, but is says 'Unaware of you. (Page 188)'. Now going to there it's the steath section where the last part of the first paragraph reads &quot;...and sneak up on people without being seen.&quot; further down to the star for &quot;Cover or Concealment&quot; it reads &quot;Unless a creature is distracted, you must have cover against or concealment from the creature to make a Stealth check.&quot; A success on a stealth check, which can only be made if you have C/C, means they are unaware of you, and furter down on the star &quot;Combat Advantage: you have combat advantage against a target that isn't aware of you.&quot; So if you have C/C and succeed at your stealth check, meaning you ducked behind a tree, around a corner, or in a small creek bed, they arent aware of where you went off to and thus not fully able to defend against an attack from an undetermined direction. Granting CA.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Volabit, post: 4293744, member: 68649"] The only difference between invis and stealth is that you DON'T need Cover or Concealment to be invis and stealth-hidden you do. Even the rules on Invis say you have to make a stealth check. Stealth vs Perception isn't just seeing someone, its hearing, noticing footprints, blades of grass moving, dust stiring up. Both invis and hidden use the same stealth check, but invis doesn't require C/C and has a higher DC mod to actually find. So invis says you automaticly gain CA. And under the CA listing in the book (pg 280) it lists a table of what gives people CA, a lot of stuff, but is says 'Unaware of you. (Page 188)'. Now going to there it's the steath section where the last part of the first paragraph reads "...and sneak up on people without being seen." further down to the star for "Cover or Concealment" it reads "Unless a creature is distracted, you must have cover against or concealment from the creature to make a Stealth check." A success on a stealth check, which can only be made if you have C/C, means they are unaware of you, and furter down on the star "Combat Advantage: you have combat advantage against a target that isn't aware of you." So if you have C/C and succeed at your stealth check, meaning you ducked behind a tree, around a corner, or in a small creek bed, they arent aware of where you went off to and thus not fully able to defend against an attack from an undetermined direction. Granting CA. [/QUOTE]

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