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<blockquote data-quote="The Grackle" data-source="post: 4293924" data-attributes="member: 23976">So after reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the rogue sniper is an intentional build option, and using stealth every round is not broken.&nbsp; *A rogue is, conceptually, a sneaky character.&nbsp; 4E is designed around the combat encounter.&nbsp; Thus a rogue who can use stealth in combat, fits the class concept.&nbsp; *There are MANY stealth powers for the rogue (and Warlock), some that grant concealment and some that grant invisibility.&nbsp; *The Striker role covers melee and ranged attacks.&nbsp; The ranger has a melee build and a ranged build.&nbsp; It makes sense for the rogue to have two builds as well-- and he does!&nbsp; *The rogue has a power at each level (except 9th oddly) that is usable in melee or w/a ranged weapon.&nbsp; Out of the three Paragon paths, Dagger master is all-melee, the other two have melee/ranged powers. Lots of options for a sniper. These points, to my mind, show an intentional design.&nbsp; Crossbow ninjas are not an exploit; they're part of the game.&nbsp; *Combat Advantage and Sneak Attack sound powerful b/c of their 3E connotations, but aren't really.&nbsp; In 3E Sneak Attack was very powerful (and was the main source of damage), but it couldn't always be pulled off; but in 4E Sneak Attack is just a good bonus (once a round) to already solid attacks, and it's easier to get.*Stealth just gives a Rogue the use of his extra-damage class-feature-- the other strikers, Warlock and Ranger, can use theirs automatically w/o a skill check but w/a minor action.&nbsp; The Ranger/Warlock can only pick those closest to them, the rogue can only use his on those whose perception he beat.&nbsp; *A melee rogue can flank for CA most every round, a ranged-rogue can hide for CA most every round.&nbsp; Sounds balanced.&nbsp; *Concealment is -2 to hit, and Full Concealment is -5.&nbsp; That's a +3 to the Rogue's defenses.&nbsp; Pretty nice, but if the Rogue hides then attacks, he won't get that advantage for the following round.&nbsp; *Being hidden or invisible give no bonus to hit.&nbsp; From all this, I just don't see Stealth as broken.&nbsp; It's easy, yes, but it's supposed to be easy.&nbsp; A sniper that hides every single round, is just doing his job; there's no need to nerf him.&nbsp; The rogue is awesome at hiding; let him be awesome.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Grackle, post: 4293924, member: 23976"] So after reading this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the rogue sniper is an intentional build option, and using stealth every round is not broken. *A rogue is, conceptually, a sneaky character. 4E is designed around the combat encounter. Thus a rogue who can use stealth in combat, fits the class concept. *There are MANY stealth powers for the rogue (and Warlock), some that grant concealment and some that grant invisibility. *The Striker role covers melee and ranged attacks. The ranger has a melee build and a ranged build. It makes sense for the rogue to have two builds as well-- and he does! *The rogue has a power at each level (except 9th oddly) that is usable in melee or w/a ranged weapon. Out of the three Paragon paths, Dagger master is all-melee, the other two have melee/ranged powers. Lots of options for a sniper. These points, to my mind, show an intentional design. Crossbow ninjas are not an exploit; they're part of the game. *Combat Advantage and Sneak Attack [I]sound[/I] powerful b/c of their 3E connotations, but aren't really. In 3E Sneak Attack was very powerful (and was the main source of damage), but it couldn't always be pulled off; but in 4E Sneak Attack is just a good bonus (once a round) to already solid attacks, and it's easier to get. *Stealth just gives a Rogue the use of his extra-damage class-feature-- the other strikers, Warlock and Ranger, can use theirs automatically w/o a skill check but w/a minor action. The Ranger/Warlock can only pick those closest to them, the rogue can only use his on those whose perception he beat. *A melee rogue can flank for CA most every round, a ranged-rogue can hide for CA most every round. Sounds balanced. *Concealment is -2 to hit, and Full Concealment is -5. That's a +3 to the Rogue's defenses. Pretty nice, but if the Rogue hides then attacks, he won't get that advantage for the following round. *Being hidden or invisible give no bonus to hit. From all this, I just don't see Stealth as broken. It's easy, yes, but it's supposed to be easy. A sniper that hides every single round, is just doing his job; there's no need to nerf him. The rogue is awesome at hiding; let him be awesome. [/QUOTE]

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