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<blockquote data-quote="Volabit" data-source="post: 4293935" data-attributes="member: 68649">Perhaps maybe do a few playthrough with all rules being literal. I guess only after collecting enough emperical evidence should I really make an issue for or against this C/C stealth issue. I think really a DM will decide how much any given area will have Cover and Concealment. If your allies give you Cover, I think it will be only for a short while, because so many things shift and move around in combat, one or two shifts later and a rogue would have to move completely to the other side of his friends, and thats assuming the creature lives that long if your allies are smart and focusing fire down targets.To quote Dudley Field Malone &quot;I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.&quot; I feel that this holds true here. I think only through our debates on this and through countless points of view shown, rulings on rules, and many unique situations that I would have never thought of has actually let me walk away with a subatantially larger understanding of 4e.Hope you all enjoy your weekend, will be out of town so relish no more posts from me for a while.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Volabit, post: 4293935, member: 68649"] Perhaps maybe do a few playthrough with all rules being literal. I guess only after collecting enough emperical evidence should I really make an issue for or against this C/C stealth issue. I think really a DM will decide how much any given area will have Cover and Concealment. If your allies give you Cover, I think it will be only for a short while, because so many things shift and move around in combat, one or two shifts later and a rogue would have to move completely to the other side of his friends, and thats assuming the creature lives that long if your allies are smart and focusing fire down targets. To quote Dudley Field Malone "I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me." I feel that this holds true here. I think only through our debates on this and through countless points of view shown, rulings on rules, and many unique situations that I would have never thought of has actually let me walk away with a subatantially larger understanding of 4e. Hope you all enjoy your weekend, will be out of town so relish no more posts from me for a while. [/QUOTE]

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