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<blockquote data-quote="Forrester" data-source="post: 4293989" data-attributes="member: 1279">Nope, both are ranged or melee. 2nd level goblin rogue is going to be using his rapier and doing 3d8+7&nbsp; when attacking vs AC. That's 20.5 damage on a hit. The twin-striking ranger is doing less damage even if he hits TWICE. Sorry Mr. Ranger but you kinda bite . . .EDIT -- meh, thinking about this a little more, I don't know I'm 100% sure that the ranger *completely* bites. He's doing maybe 20% less damage against the average foe, but that's not an outrageous disadvantage. Figuring the ranger is doing 2d10+d8 with two hits, and if he only hits once, the nice thing is he still gets that d8, so you can't do a pure comparison of 15.5 damage for the ranger with 20.5 damage for the rogue -- turns out that's only applicable if you hit every round. On the other hand, in a little playtesting combat I was doing last week, Grisgra the 5th level Goblin Rogue was hitting bad guys on a '3' sometimes (+4 to hit with Dex, +3 Rapier, +2 level, +2 magic on rapier, +2 CA means +13 to hit), against most foes I'd guess a good rogue with CA hits 75% of the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Forrester, post: 4293989, member: 1279"] Nope, both are ranged or melee. 2nd level goblin rogue is going to be using his rapier and doing 3d8+7 when attacking vs AC. That's 20.5 damage on a hit. The twin-striking ranger is doing less damage even if he hits TWICE. Sorry Mr. Ranger but you kinda bite . . . EDIT -- meh, thinking about this a little more, I don't know I'm 100% sure that the ranger *completely* bites. He's doing maybe 20% less damage against the average foe, but that's not an outrageous disadvantage. Figuring the ranger is doing 2d10+d8 with two hits, and if he only hits once, the nice thing is he still gets that d8, so you can't do a pure comparison of 15.5 damage for the ranger with 20.5 damage for the rogue -- turns out that's only applicable if you hit every round. On the other hand, in a little playtesting combat I was doing last week, Grisgra the 5th level Goblin Rogue was hitting bad guys on a '3' sometimes (+4 to hit with Dex, +3 Rapier, +2 level, +2 magic on rapier, +2 CA means +13 to hit), against most foes I'd guess a good rogue with CA hits 75% of the time. [/QUOTE]

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