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<blockquote data-quote="WOLead" data-source="post: 4314945" data-attributes="member: 65571">Shadow Walk does not cause the square the Warlock is in to become Obscured.&nbsp; It causes the Warlock to gain Concealment.&nbsp; These are two different things.&nbsp; Obscured squares causes Concealment, but Concealment doesn't cause obscured squares to pop up.&nbsp; This is further supported by the Warlord's new Pack Master Paragon Path power, Straw Soldiers.&nbsp; A Martial character power that grants all himself and his allies concealment for as long as he sustains it.&nbsp; Literally the same concealment that Shadow Walk gives.My belief is that the Warlock can use Stealth checks with his own Shadow Walk concealment.&nbsp; It is not a thick 5ftx5ftx5ft cube of smoke floating around the Warlock that says &quot;HERE I AM!&quot;&nbsp; It makes the Warlock hard to discern from the rest of the field/battleground, whether by SEP, partially rendering invisible, chameleon effect, blurring of form, ect.&nbsp; No where does Shadow Walk say the square you are in becomes Obscured by smoke, fog, or such.&nbsp; It just gives Concealment which is needed for stealth checks.&nbsp; The challenge is the feats, ability points, and/or equipment you may need to get to actually hide from something, as if it was that easy for a Warlock to hide it would be broken.The argument of the Shadow Walk concealment that &quot;Its just supposed to give the Warlock -2 to being hit by melee and ranged attacks and not stealth.&quot; is getting tiresome.&nbsp; This is a person's guess, it has no basis in the rules itself.&nbsp; If I see a CSR or an errata stating otherwise then there is evidence I'll believe, otherwise its the smoke people try to place around a Warlock.&nbsp; I have not seen a CSR response that goes against the one I received a couple days ago and placed into the &quot;Official Unofficial 4e Rules Faq.&quot;May I ask where people are getting the idea that Smoke/Rain/Immaterial Black Shadows are floating around the square the Warlock is in when he gains Concealment from Shadow Walk?&nbsp; I want to spot this page in the PHB so I can read it myself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WOLead, post: 4314945, member: 65571"] Shadow Walk does not cause the square the Warlock is in to become Obscured. It causes the Warlock to gain Concealment. These are two different things. Obscured squares causes Concealment, but Concealment doesn't cause obscured squares to pop up. This is further supported by the Warlord's new Pack Master Paragon Path power, Straw Soldiers. A Martial character power that grants all himself and his allies concealment for as long as he sustains it. Literally the same concealment that Shadow Walk gives. My belief is that the Warlock can use Stealth checks with his own Shadow Walk concealment. It is not a thick 5ftx5ftx5ft cube of smoke floating around the Warlock that says "HERE I AM!" It makes the Warlock hard to discern from the rest of the field/battleground, whether by SEP, partially rendering invisible, chameleon effect, blurring of form, ect. No where does Shadow Walk say the square you are in becomes Obscured by smoke, fog, or such. It just gives Concealment which is needed for stealth checks. The challenge is the feats, ability points, and/or equipment you may need to get to actually hide from something, as if it was that easy for a Warlock to hide it would be broken. The argument of the Shadow Walk concealment that "Its just supposed to give the Warlock -2 to being hit by melee and ranged attacks and not stealth." is getting tiresome. This is a person's guess, it has no basis in the rules itself. If I see a CSR or an errata stating otherwise then there is evidence I'll believe, otherwise its the smoke people try to place around a Warlock. I have not seen a CSR response that goes against the one I received a couple days ago and placed into the "Official Unofficial 4e Rules Faq." May I ask where people are getting the idea that Smoke/Rain/Immaterial Black Shadows are floating around the square the Warlock is in when he gains Concealment from Shadow Walk? I want to spot this page in the PHB so I can read it myself. [/QUOTE]

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