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<blockquote data-quote="zoroaster100" data-source="post: 4325098" data-attributes="member: 8538">I ran a single encounter for a player this weekend to see if I had grasped the 4E rules well enough to run our next game this weekend.&nbsp; I realized I still don't understand how and when you can use Stealth in combat in even the most basic and frequent types of scenarios.&nbsp; The specific example that came up was that the party walked into a dungeon and was immediately in plain view of a group of kobolds.&nbsp; The rogue in the party, on the first round, moved behind a corner so he had cover (not superior cover) from both enemy kobolds that were within line of sight of the party.&nbsp; The rogue used a Move Action to get to the place where he had cover against the kobolds' ranged attacks.&nbsp; He then used a Standard Action to throw a dagger against one of the kobolds.&nbsp; The player wanted to know if he should roll a Stealth check to see if he had Combat Advantage against the kobold.&nbsp; Should he have been able to use his Standard Action to attack stealthily and roll a Stealth roll as well as an attack roll, since he by then had obtained a position with cover?&nbsp; Or did he first need to use up some other kind of action after moving to the position with cover?&nbsp; Or was he prevented from using Stealth at all in this encounter, since the kobolds were already aware of him and knew what square he necessarily had to occupy, even though he had cover against their ranged attacks?Assuming he could use Stealth at all, did the rogue need to beat both kobolds' Perception to get Combat Advantage against his one target, or did he only need to beat the one target's Perception?&nbsp; And did he only need to beat passive Perception, or should the kobold(s) have rolled a Perception check as an opposed check?Are all of my questions still unanswerable until errata/clarifications come out, or are the answers to at least some of my questions clear at this point, in your view of the rules as written?This is one area where the Player's Handbook fell short by failing to include a couple of examples of how Stealth works in combat with a detailed blow by blow explanation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zoroaster100, post: 4325098, member: 8538"] I ran a single encounter for a player this weekend to see if I had grasped the 4E rules well enough to run our next game this weekend. I realized I still don't understand how and when you can use Stealth in combat in even the most basic and frequent types of scenarios. The specific example that came up was that the party walked into a dungeon and was immediately in plain view of a group of kobolds. The rogue in the party, on the first round, moved behind a corner so he had cover (not superior cover) from both enemy kobolds that were within line of sight of the party. The rogue used a Move Action to get to the place where he had cover against the kobolds' ranged attacks. He then used a Standard Action to throw a dagger against one of the kobolds. The player wanted to know if he should roll a Stealth check to see if he had Combat Advantage against the kobold. Should he have been able to use his Standard Action to attack stealthily and roll a Stealth roll as well as an attack roll, since he by then had obtained a position with cover? Or did he first need to use up some other kind of action after moving to the position with cover? Or was he prevented from using Stealth at all in this encounter, since the kobolds were already aware of him and knew what square he necessarily had to occupy, even though he had cover against their ranged attacks? Assuming he could use Stealth at all, did the rogue need to beat both kobolds' Perception to get Combat Advantage against his one target, or did he only need to beat the one target's Perception? And did he only need to beat passive Perception, or should the kobold(s) have rolled a Perception check as an opposed check? Are all of my questions still unanswerable until errata/clarifications come out, or are the answers to at least some of my questions clear at this point, in your view of the rules as written? This is one area where the Player's Handbook fell short by failing to include a couple of examples of how Stealth works in combat with a detailed blow by blow explanation. [/QUOTE]

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