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<blockquote data-quote="coldpheasant" data-source="post: 4327950" data-attributes="member: 70947">Fighter crushes rogueConsider this: Human Fighter with a 20 Str, 14 Con, 10,10,10,8.&nbsp; Wield a heavy flail or a maul (2d6 damage).&nbsp; Feats: Power Attack and Weapon Focus.5 str +2 proficiency +1 fighter weapon talent would give you a +8 to hit. +6 when you power attack.Reaping Strike (lvl1, at-will): 2d6 + 9(5str +3 PA + 1 WF) damage on a power attack if you hit.&nbsp; If you miss it would still do 5 damage.&nbsp; The rogue has no lvl one at-will powers that damage their opponent on a miss.&nbsp; Passing Attack (lvl 1, encounter): First hit: 2d6 + 9. _shift_ Second hit 2d6 + 9.&nbsp; Total = 4d6 + 18 damage in one turn.&nbsp; I think you'll find this comparable to a rogue's encounter power damage.Brutal Strike (lvl1, daily):&nbsp; 6d6 + 9 damage!&nbsp; Since this is a &quot;reliable&quot; power you would not expend your daily use if it missed.&nbsp; That's 45 potential damage at first level.&nbsp; Not bad for a meat shield, eh?&nbsp; The rogue has no &quot;reliable&quot; lvl 1 daily powers.&nbsp; It's nice to have a 6d6+9 attack up your sleeve every day that WILL hit.O yeah, and you'd still be able to manage a 14 constitution with your 20 strength.&nbsp; Not so amazing... but you could make up weak defenses with feats as you progress.&nbsp; As a fighter, you'd likely benefit more than other classes from magical weapon enhancements as well.&nbsp; Remember, 3[W] means a lot more for a maul than it does for a shuriken or a dagger.Of course, damage is not the only part of a role playing game or even a tactical miniatures game.&nbsp; There are many reasons to play a fighter, and one of them is to be able to smash things with a big hammer.&nbsp; Don't focus on how a fighter compares to a rogue, but focus on how effective a rogue can be when the fighter has the attention of the enemies&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="coldpheasant, post: 4327950, member: 70947"] [b]Fighter crushes rogue[/b] Consider this: Human Fighter with a 20 Str, 14 Con, 10,10,10,8. Wield a heavy flail or a maul (2d6 damage). Feats: Power Attack and Weapon Focus. 5 str +2 proficiency +1 fighter weapon talent would give you a +8 to hit. +6 when you power attack. Reaping Strike (lvl1, at-will): 2d6 + 9(5str +3 PA + 1 WF) damage on a power attack if you hit. [I]If you miss it would still do 5 damage.[/I] The rogue has no lvl one at-will powers that damage their opponent on a miss. Passing Attack (lvl 1, encounter): First hit: 2d6 + 9. _shift_ Second hit 2d6 + 9. Total = 4d6 + 18 damage in one turn. I think you'll find this comparable to a rogue's encounter power damage. Brutal Strike (lvl1, daily): 6d6 + 9 damage! Since this is a "reliable" power you would not expend your daily use if it missed. That's 45 potential damage at first level. Not bad for a meat shield, eh? The rogue has no "reliable" lvl 1 daily powers. It's nice to have a 6d6+9 attack up your sleeve every day that WILL hit. O yeah, and you'd still be able to manage a 14 constitution with your 20 strength. Not so amazing... but you could make up weak defenses with feats as you progress. As a fighter, you'd likely benefit more than other classes from magical weapon enhancements as well. Remember, 3[W] means a lot more for a maul than it does for a shuriken or a dagger. Of course, damage is not the only part of a role playing game or even a tactical miniatures game. There are many reasons to play a fighter, and one of them is to be able to smash things with a big hammer. Don't focus on how a fighter compares to a rogue, but focus on how effective a rogue can be when the fighter has the attention of the enemies ;) [/QUOTE]

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