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<blockquote data-quote="Fkewl" data-source="post: 4350107" data-attributes="member: 69106">After reading 9 pages on the subject, there's a few conclusion on the stealth i, as dm, will follow-if you pick your nose/rub yourself/touch your symbol stealthily as an action &gt; well&nbsp; nobody will see you doing that.. but you don't go &quot;poof ! I'm now stealthy!&quot; - it just means nobody saw you doing that action specificallyIf you stealthily grabs the waitress backside, she will see you and everybody else.. not the hand that grabbed her. -if you attack stealthily, now opposed stealth roll to passive perception if not in combat (no PC's where spotted and no attacks where done to the creatures (no reason to be ultra alert) )Now.. if there is a guard on alert or they are waiting for an ambush.. that's a active perception-if in combat, against active perception if not in melee with a PC then a passive perception, I think giving that warhammer going for your head a little more attention then that spot of brown cape around a tree is a better optionUsing other allies as cover then make a stealthy attack.. hum.. still not sureI assume the stealthy attack behind a ally is an attack nobody saw coming (too quick and using allies moves against the target) Cinematic : the rogue fires is handxbow between your ally's ribs and shield arm right into the throat of the monster.&nbsp; The monster never saw it coming since the rogue covered is aim and firing behind the ally. If you hide after attacking a monster, the monster, unless harrassed by other PC's will use it's turn to move and actively search you (active search).&nbsp; Or if with ranged weapons, will use is minor action to guess where you are and lob that stinkpot in your face.&nbsp; It will also tell others to flush you out of your hiding place.. better find a new one ! I don't see that many rolls for now, which was the orignial problem.. Francois</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fkewl, post: 4350107, member: 69106"] After reading 9 pages on the subject, there's a few conclusion on the stealth i, as dm, will follow -if you pick your nose/rub yourself/touch your symbol stealthily as an action > well nobody will see you doing that.. but you don't go "poof ! I'm now stealthy!" - it just means nobody saw you doing that action specifically If you stealthily grabs the waitress backside, she will see you and everybody else.. not the hand that grabbed her. -if you attack stealthily, now opposed stealth roll to passive perception if not in combat (no PC's where spotted and no attacks where done to the creatures (no reason to be ultra alert) ) Now.. if there is a guard on alert or they are waiting for an ambush.. that's a active perception -if in combat, against active perception if not in melee with a PC then a passive perception, I think giving that warhammer going for your head a little more attention then that spot of brown cape around a tree is a better option Using other allies as cover then make a stealthy attack.. hum.. still not sure I assume the stealthy attack behind a ally is an attack nobody saw coming (too quick and using allies moves against the target) Cinematic : the rogue fires is handxbow between your ally's ribs and shield arm right into the throat of the monster. The monster never saw it coming since the rogue covered is aim and firing behind the ally. If you hide after attacking a monster, the monster, unless harrassed by other PC's will use it's turn to move and actively search you (active search). Or if with ranged weapons, will use is minor action to guess where you are and lob that stinkpot in your face. It will also tell others to flush you out of your hiding place.. better find a new one ! I don't see that many rolls for now, which was the orignial problem.. Francois [/QUOTE]

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