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<blockquote data-quote="deleteme123456" data-source="post: 4352619" data-attributes="member: 65832"><p>Let's assume there exists a condition called &quot;hidden&quot; generated by Stealth. How you get there is your problem. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> What are the benefits of being hidden? Most people agree that it grants combat advantage. What about + to defense? If a monster tries to attack you with a melee or ranged attack are they at -5 to hit for targetting what they can't see? To me that's a much bigger concern than the Rogue getting his extra backstab damage and the reason my players currently can't use Stealth after the start of combat (that and we didn't have good simple versions like some of the ones posted here when we started the campaign, so I agreed not to use it against them in exchange for not letting them use it).</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="deleteme123456, post: 4352619, member: 65832"] Let's assume there exists a condition called "hidden" generated by Stealth. How you get there is your problem. :D What are the benefits of being hidden? Most people agree that it grants combat advantage. What about + to defense? If a monster tries to attack you with a melee or ranged attack are they at -5 to hit for targetting what they can't see? To me that's a much bigger concern than the Rogue getting his extra backstab damage and the reason my players currently can't use Stealth after the start of combat (that and we didn't have good simple versions like some of the ones posted here when we started the campaign, so I agreed not to use it against them in exchange for not letting them use it). [/QUOTE]

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