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<blockquote data-quote="Tonester" data-source="post: 4353989" data-attributes="member: 71788">I laugh every time I see someone say this.&nbsp; Who is making this many rolls and why?&nbsp; They are passive checks.&nbsp; If there are 15 creatures on the map and only 1 of them is remotely interested in making an attack on a stealthy rogue, then maybe have that 1 make a non-passive check.&nbsp; Do the non-passive checks as a need-to-check basis.&nbsp; It isn't like every time a Rogue stealths everything on the map has to make a dice roll.&nbsp; That is obsurd.You can do it that way if you want, but that isn't what the rules state.&nbsp; If you and your players are fine with that then great.You do NOT need to be out of sight to have combat advantage from stealth.&nbsp; Stealth != invisible.&nbsp; Stealth == unaware/unseen/unnoticed/unheard.&nbsp; Why is this so complicated?&nbsp; We've already been told that Rogues should be getting CA on nearly every round somehow.&nbsp; Why are DMs so against this?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tonester, post: 4353989, member: 71788"] I laugh every time I see someone say this. Who is making this many rolls and why? They are passive checks. If there are 15 creatures on the map and only 1 of them is remotely interested in making an attack on a stealthy rogue, then maybe have that 1 make a non-passive check. Do the non-passive checks as a need-to-check basis. It isn't like every time a Rogue stealths everything on the map has to make a dice roll. That is obsurd. You can do it that way if you want, but that isn't what the rules state. If you and your players are fine with that then great. You do NOT need to be out of sight to have combat advantage from stealth. Stealth != invisible. Stealth == unaware/unseen/unnoticed/unheard. Why is this so complicated? We've already been told that Rogues should be getting CA on nearly every round somehow. Why are DMs so against this? [/QUOTE]

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