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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 4358718" data-attributes="member: 71699">If you want 'house rules' let's look at the one Redbeard is making that introduces a lot of pain into the debate.&nbsp;Redbeard proposes that the condtion granted by successful Stealth use connects to the Targeting What You Can't See rules. Now, however reasonable you feel that proposition to be, in rules read as written there is no connect unless the same words appear in both places.&nbsp;They do not.&nbsp;You also apply a house rule on Cover or Concealment granting Stealth. Those words are not written in the rules. Cover or Concealment are pre-conditions that let you try to do an action stealthily provided your DM tells you the given situation is appropriate. You house rule that Cover or Concealment fulfil the requirement 'appropriate' even after enemies have spotted the Rogue. I see problems with that, so I don't use that house rule.&nbsp;This is a reasonable forum for DMs to share their ideas on what is appropriate with one another, but we shouldn't try and pin a star on our ideas about that while denigrating anyone elses.&nbsp;-vk</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 4358718, member: 71699"] If you want 'house rules' let's look at the one Redbeard is making that introduces a lot of pain into the debate. Redbeard proposes that the condtion granted by successful Stealth use connects to the Targeting What You Can't See rules. Now, however [I]reasonable[/I] you feel that proposition to be, in rules read as written there is no connect unless the [I]same words[/I] appear in both places. They do not. You also apply a house rule on Cover or Concealment granting Stealth. Those words are not written in the rules. Cover or Concealment are pre-conditions that let you try to do an action stealthily [I]provided[/I] your DM tells you the given situation is [I]appropriate[/I]. You house rule that Cover or Concealment fulfil the requirement 'appropriate' even after enemies have spotted the Rogue. I see problems with that, so I don't use that house rule. This is a reasonable forum for DMs to share their ideas on what is [I]appropriate[/I] with one another, but we shouldn't try and pin a star on our ideas about that while denigrating anyone elses. -vk [/QUOTE]

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