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<blockquote data-quote="Machus" data-source="post: 4359409" data-attributes="member: 72271"><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Do we have a master list of all inclusive relevant questions?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Here is a start if not, refine/correct as needed.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">**************</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Stealth Questions</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">**************</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">======================================</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Assumptions:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Player is seen and not under concealment or cover.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Player moves to appropriate cover/concealment, and makes a stealth check.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">=====================================================</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">1. Is the move the action associated with stealth, or is it a free action once they are behind concealment/cover, or do they need to spend a minor action to "hide"?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">2. If the player succeeds at stealth, do they in effect have total concealment in terms of what opponents can do against them while they remain "hidden"?</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">================</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Assumptions:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">While already hidden:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">================</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">4. Within the same turn, can a rogue attack with their standard action, then re-stealth that same turn as long as they have cover/concealment and make their stealth check? Does it require their move action or minor/free?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">5. Do allies count as cover for the purposes of getting cover to make a stealth check from an opponent?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">6. Do cover penalties stack with concealment penaliteis (i.e. like -2 for cover and -5 if they are hidden and their square is attacked).</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">7. Do opponents use the "targeting what you can't see rules" when attempting to attack a player that has used stealth to hide? Or do they simply detect or not detect them?</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">==============</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Stealth example #1</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">==============</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">a1. Players turn, seen and noticed, not concealed or in cover.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">b1. Player moves to cover/concealment</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">c1. Player makes an OPPOSED stealth check vs each applicable opponent's perception roll (move/minor/free, need clarification above)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">d1. If success, they are hidden unless they do something to end it.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">e1. If they attacked after success at hiding, they would have CA against opponents that did not beat their stealth check. After the attack, they are no longer considered hidden.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">f1. If the player is hidden via stealth, opponents can attempt to spot them using a minor action to make a perecption skill check using the players last stealth roll as the DC.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">- success means they see them entirely</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">- failure means they do not. If they guess a square to attack, they have a -5 to hit if it's the correct square, and auto-miss if it's the wrong square. Area attacks affect them normally. Moving to where the player no longer has concealemnt or cover would also automatically reveal them.</span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">===============</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Stealth example #2</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">===============</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">a2. Players turn, they have concleament or cover and are currently noticed/not-hidden.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">b2. Player makes a stealth check with a <minor action> to hide.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">c2. If success, the player attacks a nearby opponent with a ranged attack, or an attack that has a move component such as deft strike, nible strike, or charge.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">The player has CA on their opponent on this attack.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">d2. player is no longer hidden after the attack.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">e2. player can use their move action to attempt to hide since they have cover/concealment, and roll oppossed checks as normal.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">If success, they are hidden and opponents can no longer see/hear/notice them.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">f2. If the player is hidden via stealth, opponents can attempt to spot them using a minor action to make a perecption skill check using the players last stealth roll as the DC.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">- success means they see them entirely</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">- failure means they do not. If they guess a square to attack, they have a -5 to hit if it's the correct square, and auto-miss if it's the wrong square. Area attacks affect them normally. Moving to where the player no longer has concealemnt or cover would also automatically reveal them.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Machus, post: 4359409, member: 72271"] [SIZE=2]Do we have a master list of all inclusive relevant questions? Here is a start if not, refine/correct as needed. ************** Stealth Questions ************** ====================================== Assumptions: Player is seen and not under concealment or cover. Player moves to appropriate cover/concealment, and makes a stealth check. ===================================================== 1. Is the move the action associated with stealth, or is it a free action once they are behind concealment/cover, or do they need to spend a minor action to "hide"? 2. If the player succeeds at stealth, do they in effect have total concealment in terms of what opponents can do against them while they remain "hidden"? ================ Assumptions: While already hidden: ================ 4. Within the same turn, can a rogue attack with their standard action, then re-stealth that same turn as long as they have cover/concealment and make their stealth check? Does it require their move action or minor/free? 5. Do allies count as cover for the purposes of getting cover to make a stealth check from an opponent? 6. Do cover penalties stack with concealment penaliteis (i.e. like -2 for cover and -5 if they are hidden and their square is attacked). 7. Do opponents use the "targeting what you can't see rules" when attempting to attack a player that has used stealth to hide? Or do they simply detect or not detect them? ============== Stealth example #1 ============== a1. Players turn, seen and noticed, not concealed or in cover. b1. Player moves to cover/concealment c1. Player makes an OPPOSED stealth check vs each applicable opponent's perception roll (move/minor/free, need clarification above) d1. If success, they are hidden unless they do something to end it. e1. If they attacked after success at hiding, they would have CA against opponents that did not beat their stealth check. After the attack, they are no longer considered hidden. f1. If the player is hidden via stealth, opponents can attempt to spot them using a minor action to make a perecption skill check using the players last stealth roll as the DC. - success means they see them entirely - failure means they do not. If they guess a square to attack, they have a -5 to hit if it's the correct square, and auto-miss if it's the wrong square. Area attacks affect them normally. Moving to where the player no longer has concealemnt or cover would also automatically reveal them. =============== Stealth example #2 =============== a2. Players turn, they have concleament or cover and are currently noticed/not-hidden. b2. Player makes a stealth check with a <minor action> to hide. c2. If success, the player attacks a nearby opponent with a ranged attack, or an attack that has a move component such as deft strike, nible strike, or charge. The player has CA on their opponent on this attack. d2. player is no longer hidden after the attack. e2. player can use their move action to attempt to hide since they have cover/concealment, and roll oppossed checks as normal. If success, they are hidden and opponents can no longer see/hear/notice them. f2. If the player is hidden via stealth, opponents can attempt to spot them using a minor action to make a perecption skill check using the players last stealth roll as the DC. - success means they see them entirely - failure means they do not. If they guess a square to attack, they have a -5 to hit if it's the correct square, and auto-miss if it's the wrong square. Area attacks affect them normally. Moving to where the player no longer has concealemnt or cover would also automatically reveal them. [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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