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<blockquote data-quote="DM_Blake" data-source="post: 4362561" data-attributes="member: 57267">Good post.&nbsp;My only quibble is that allowing active perception rolls should be more flexible than requiring a foe to use a minor action in their round.&nbsp;One, that burns an action. Clever groups will use this as a tactic. &quot;Oh, look, we're fighting dwarves. They can use a minor action to take a second wind. Let's screw them up by making them use their minor actions to find our rogue so they can't use them for second winds.&quot;&nbsp;Two, it's very easy for a rogue to get a high enough Stealth skill that he can always beat the passive perceptions of everything he ever fights. Rogue: Oh, look, it's a room full of kobolds. I use Stealth and rolled a 3.DM: You hid from all 15 kobolds. None of them can hope to see you.Rogue: Yeah, I know. Funny how none of them ever gets lucky. Ever. I'm just too good! I roxxorz!&nbsp;Seems to me that some enemies, sometimes, value their lives enough that they will be extra alert, even when it's not their turn. If they already know their foe is nearby (they've seen him, heard him, whatever) and they have any reason to think he is sneaking around, then it seems to me they are too alert to rely on only passive perception.&nbsp;The players won't like it at all when a stealthy assassin keeps whacking them from stealth because he consistently rolls higher than their passive perception. I can see the complaints now. &quot;What?! I get NO chance to see this guy? I know he's nearby, I'm actively searching for him, but when it's his round I get no chance to roll to try to beat his stealth? None?!&quot;&nbsp;This sounds to me like it has some room for judgment calls and houseruling.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DM_Blake, post: 4362561, member: 57267"] Good post. My only quibble is that allowing active perception rolls should be more flexible than requiring a foe to use a minor action in their round. One, that burns an action. Clever groups will use this as a tactic. "Oh, look, we're fighting dwarves. They can use a minor action to take a second wind. Let's screw them up by making them use their minor actions to find our rogue so they can't use them for second winds." Two, it's very easy for a rogue to get a high enough Stealth skill that he can always beat the passive perceptions of everything he ever fights. Rogue: Oh, look, it's a room full of kobolds. I use Stealth and rolled a 3. DM: You hid from all 15 kobolds. None of them can hope to see you. Rogue: Yeah, I know. Funny how none of them ever gets lucky. Ever. I'm just too good! I roxxorz! Seems to me that some enemies, sometimes, value their lives enough that they will be extra alert, even when it's not their turn. If they already know their foe is nearby (they've seen him, heard him, whatever) and they have any reason to think he is sneaking around, then it seems to me they are too alert to rely on only passive perception. The players won't like it at all when a stealthy assassin keeps whacking them from stealth because he consistently rolls higher than their passive perception. I can see the complaints now. "What?! I get NO chance to see this guy? I know he's nearby, I'm actively searching for him, but when it's his round I get no chance to roll to try to beat his stealth? None?!" This sounds to me like it has some room for judgment calls and houseruling. [/QUOTE]

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