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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 9054149" data-attributes="member: 6988941"><p>Um... my reading was simply that, as is typical for military courts, both counsels report to the Judge Advocates division (or whatever) of Starfleet. And while that is intrinsically problematic, they didn't want to make an episode about how her appointed attorney did their ethical duty to be a zealous defender within a hierarchical organization that, while generally respecting the role of their JAG officers in an adversarial process, maybe gets a little corrupt when those in power want a particular result, or anything else that really interrogated their military justice system. They just wanted to hand-waive her appointed attorney away and make an excuse for her to desperately need the one lawyer she has beef with.</p><p></p><p>Once again, I think as Star Trek legal drama goes it's phenomenal progress just to not make a primary cast member inexplicably serve as her lawyer, but at the end of the day I'm just not a fan of Star Trek legal drama, and ultimately it's always going to have enough preposterous stuff to take me out of the episode. And whether or not it all "makes sense" or whatever, if I spent my time watching a Star Trek episode critiquing their presentation of trial procedure, or whatever, than that episode was a failure with me.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I mean I think there is premise that makes perfect sense alluded to by the episode, and that is that having learned how phenomenally handy it is to have a Data onboard, Starfleet now wants to backpedal on his personhood so that he can be disassembled and mass produced. Doesn't seem absurd at all.</p><p></p><p>Where the absurdity arises is that, in order for that episode to have a tie-everything-together-in-a-nice-bow-TNG resolution, personhood has to be treated like something that once recognized can never be unrecognized, otherwise they can only win an obviously temporary and fraught victory. And if such determinations are thus immutable then suddenly it has to be a "whoops, we never thought about it before" situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 9054149, member: 6988941"] Um... my reading was simply that, as is typical for military courts, both counsels report to the Judge Advocates division (or whatever) of Starfleet. And while that is intrinsically problematic, they didn't want to make an episode about how her appointed attorney did their ethical duty to be a zealous defender within a hierarchical organization that, while generally respecting the role of their JAG officers in an adversarial process, maybe gets a little corrupt when those in power want a particular result, or anything else that really interrogated their military justice system. They just wanted to hand-waive her appointed attorney away and make an excuse for her to desperately need the one lawyer she has beef with. Once again, I think as Star Trek legal drama goes it's phenomenal progress just to not make a primary cast member inexplicably serve as her lawyer, but at the end of the day I'm just not a fan of Star Trek legal drama, and ultimately it's always going to have enough preposterous stuff to take me out of the episode. And whether or not it all "makes sense" or whatever, if I spent my time watching a Star Trek episode critiquing their presentation of trial procedure, or whatever, than that episode was a failure with me. I mean I think there is premise that makes perfect sense alluded to by the episode, and that is that having learned how phenomenally handy it is to have a Data onboard, Starfleet now wants to backpedal on his personhood so that he can be disassembled and mass produced. Doesn't seem absurd at all. Where the absurdity arises is that, in order for that episode to have a tie-everything-together-in-a-nice-bow-TNG resolution, personhood has to be treated like something that once recognized can never be unrecognized, otherwise they can only win an obviously temporary and fraught victory. And if such determinations are thus immutable then suddenly it has to be a "whoops, we never thought about it before" situation. [/QUOTE]
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