Strange Ruling

[The Souljourner]

One more thing - I don't think even normal shortswords would be hurt by a fall of 20 feet. I mean, the 1d6 damage per 10' if for falling humanoids, shortswords weigh all of 3lbs, there's a lot less potential energy there. Is it possible they would get bent? I suppose if they fell just right, then yeah, but I definitely don't think it would be likely, and only remotely possible if falling onto stone or metal.

Oh, and one more thing, "shatter" and "break" are both really bad terms to be applying to metal objects. Metal rarely breaks or shatters (unless under extreme conditions)... at worst it'll get bent or dented.

-The Souljourner

 

[Dougal DeKree]

Wow!

I am really happy that all of you think about it the same way.
Anyways tonight the GM will have to answer to the questions your help enabled and i will let you know what his motives were...

Til then:
thanx a lot to all of you!

P.S.: My guess is: it is a cheesy tactic to take the +1 weapons off of the groups second fighter...*sigh*

 

[IceBear]

Or, as the dying optomist in me likes to think, he wasn't that familar with the rules and made some decisions off the cuff that were wrong.

IceBear

 

[Dougal DeKree]

Or, as the dying optomist in me likes to think, he wasn't that familar with the rules and made some decisions off the cuff that were wrong.

IceBear

Hi IceBear!

Well, i'd like to be optimistic, too, but here is the conclusion.
"Trance isn't in the rules, so i do it how i like..." was the kick-off.
Towards the point "the ground isn't magical and swords very light" he paused shortly and came up with "well, no. If things fall, they break. And after all, the Keen Short sword isn't +1, remember?"

I am so happy i am NOT one of the players in that group. But here comes the fun...

Group-cleric "so, what you are saying is, that the keen short sword isn't magical?" GM:"Yes." Cleric:"Ok, i cast Mend Object." GM:"But...Damn."

So here the groups second fighter regained his keen short sword and the other simple +1 short sword was restored as a "simple" masterwork sword...

If this occurance wasn't so sad i would think it's pretty funny.

Oh, btw, the fighter in question is Lvl8 and the two magic swords were his only magic items... oh well...

Cheers and thanx for helping out!

 

[Kamard]

I dunno, I think its pretty funny.

But then I'm kind of a jerk.

 

[Darklone]

Hmm. I played in that group for some years...

That DM has a habit to ask for climb checks DC 20 for a ladder.

If you have protection against fire, no enemy will use fire anymore.

Illusions never work against NPCs, but players don't get saves till they shout "I disbelieve!".

Skills are crap. You can't sneak at someone with Move Silently +15 and Hide +15, but a mage with invisibility and no move silently skill managed it automatically.

Worst thing (one of the reasons why I left the group): I asked him for a non core rule feat. He told me to check it and two weeks later he approved it. Four weeks later I gained the level and he told me we never spoke about it.

 

[Thanee]

Well, yeah that sounds pretty dumb, really.

Just find a decent group!

BTW, how can a magic sword break from a fall, if it is IMPOSSIBLE to damage it with a nonmagic weapon?

Bye
Thanee

 

[Hypersmurf]

BTW, how can a magic sword break from a fall, if it is IMPOSSIBLE to damage it with a nonmagic weapon?

It could, perhaps, be argued that this only applies when the magic sword is being attacked deliberately.

Remember the trash compactor in Star Wars: A New Hope? Would you say that if someone cast Magic Weapon on a quarterstaff, they could use the staff to prevent the walls from crushing them?

Use a +1 javelin to bar the castle gates! Much better than that foot-thick oak beam...

-Hyp.

 

[Dougal DeKree]

Use a +1 javelin to bar the castle gates! Much better than that foot-thick oak beam...

-Hyp.

Hmmm, maybe if it was the +1 javelin of a Cloud giant?

I do wonder more about the keen sword being declared non-magical. isn't keen treated as a +1 equivalent? hmm...

Dougal

 

[Hypersmurf]

Hmmm, maybe if it was the +1 javelin of a Cloud giant?

Doesn't have to be, if it's unbreakable...

I do wonder more about the keen sword being declared non-magical. isn't keen treated as a +1 equivalent? hmm...

By the rules, a sword needs to have a +1 minimum enhancement bonus before any special abilities - like Keen, which is indeed a +1 equivalent - can be incorporated.

However, there's nothing to stop a DM coming up with a non-magical Keen equivalent. Just a really, really sharp sword. The downside, of course, is that it would probably be more brittle than an ordinary sword... more likely, say, to snap when dropped from a height...

-Hyp.